jimbob wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:33 pm
Look at the evidence that was ignored in London.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn3dm/ ... pps-arrest
Exclusive: VICE World News has obtained WhatsApp messages and voicenotes sent by Andrew Tate to a woman who accused him of a 2013 rape. She said police told her they believed her account, but authorities declined to prosecute.
Descriptions of violent sexual acts in article
I, like I suspect many others here, glossed over this post as I didn't have the capacity to read another article about rape being ignored by the British police. But I've been listening to the latest Behind the Bastards
episode on Tate (they're doing a 3-parter) where they played some of the voice notes he left and I had to come back and emphasis how appalling this is.
Tate left a voice note on the woman's phone where he said, among other horrific things,
“Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn’t like it, the more I enjoyed it. I f.cking loved how much you hated it. It turned me on. Why am I like that? Why?”
“Are you seriously so offended I strangled you a little bit. You didn’t f.cking pass out. Chill the f.ck out, Jesus Christ, I thought you were cool, what’s wrong with you”
The woman, pseudonymed 'Amelia' in the article, was raped in 2013 (should I put 'allegedly' in there? He admitted to doing it, but hasn't yet been convicted). She continued in the relationship with him for a few months, in part to convince herself that what happened wasn't what happened, and finally broke it off when she realised she was putting her life in danger by staying with him. She went to Bedfordshire Police in 2014 to report the rape, but they were so sh.t at handling the case she decided not to pursue it -
At one stage, Amelia said, the investigating officer asked her friend whether Amelia had learning difficulties, because she was struggling to speak.
She 'logged' the complaint with the police, putting it on record but not pursuing a criminal case against him, so if there were any further accusations her complaint would be seen. And guess what? There were other complaints.
In 2015 Hertfordshire Police contacted her saying two
other women had accused Tate of sexual violence - one accusing him of rape, the other of him repeatedly strangling her (both things that happened to 'Amelia'). 'Amelia' provided the police a video statement and handed over her phone which included messages and voice notes from Tate.
Tate was then arrested and released under investigation. An investigation which didn't progress until 2019 when the police passed the case file to the CPS, who decided to not prosecute.
Amelia said the police officer even apologised for the decision, and told her words to the effect of, “It's not that the police don't believe you. It's not that the CPS don't believe you. It's the fact that there's an ounce of doubt in the case.”
According to Amelia, the officer said the element of doubt related to the fact she had had consensual sex with Tate in the wake of the alleged sexual assault, and that in sexual assault cases, the CPS was only prepared to prosecute when it felt 100 percent confident of success, because a trial resulting in acquittal would only further traumatise the complainant.
This feels incredibly paternalistic - isn't it up to the complainant what's going to be more traumatising? And it also seems to fly in the face of the CPS's own understanding of rape myths
, which seems to be a common theme. They claim they understand that these myths are just myths yet still use them as an excuse not to pursue rape convictions. I'm curious if the CPS has the same 100% confidence requirement for other types of crime and if not, why they see sexual assault as 'special'.
It also feels like an indictment of their lawyers and their poor view of juries. Research from UCL found that jurors were largely disbelieving
of rape myths so their fears of them causing aquittal seems misplaced, and even if they were valid it suggests they don't believe their lawyers are capable of adequately explaining to the jury why a victim would respond in a particular way.
As a result of the CPS's inability to prosecute a man who admitted in voice notes that he raped and strangled a woman he was allowed to go on to harm multiple other women. It's a situation we've seen time and time again and one I fear we'll keep seeing until the CPS gets the courage to start prosecuting rapists.