Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by Fishnut » Tue May 25, 2021 3:24 pm

A reminder that police excessive use of force is not restricted to any particular country. An inquest is currently underway in Perth, Australia, following the death of an indigenous man in 2017 who was tasered by police 10 times in less than two minutes.
Footage shot by witnesses showed Riley wailing as he was held down for seven minutes before an ambulance arrived.
It's all so depressingly familiar.

If you're wondering what he did to warrant such measures,
..two police officers had attended the Officeworks store in East Perth in May 2017 in response to unrelated reports of a robbery. They were alerted to Riley who was seen rocking from side to side and slapping his forehead... The officers approached the father of six and called triple zero to request an ambulance when he did not engage with them. Collins said Riley had then advanced on police and shouted “I’m going to kill you”, prompting Const Rory Winterburn to discharge his Taser. The police officers attempted to restrain the prone man as he struggled. “During this resistance, Mr Riley made repeated and continuous attempts to take possession of Constable [James] Wolfe’s firearm and bit down hard on Constable Wolfe’s arm causing it to bleed heavily,” Collins told the inquest.
Given that this is the police version of events, I will admit to having some skepticism. Though even if an accurate rendition of events, it suggests to me a serious need to improve police training to deal with mentally unwell people. Where's the attempt at de-escalating? Why is your immediate reaction to taser the guy? Just because he said he's going to kill you doesn't mean you have to take him seriously. He's an unarmed guy clearly going through a mental health crisis who's more a risk to himself than others.

It's also worth taking a look at the original reporting,
A man has died after he was allegedly Tasered by a police officer in East Perth on Friday. Police were responding to a robbery in Lord Street around 11.35am, when officers came across a man that needed medical attention. As officers helped the man he became aggressive and a police officer was injured. A officer then allegedly Tasered the man who became unresponsive. The man was taken to Royal Perth Hospital and died a short time later.
Once again we have no mention of restraint, a distortion of the timeline - the man was actually tasered before any physical contact with him was made - and an attempt to make it seem like he lived longer than he did. The Guardian say that he was taken to hospital where "he was pronounced dead" which sounds to me like he was dead on arrival. It's a minor point but it's something I've noticed in several of these cases. There seems to be this desire to distance the officers physically from the death. You didn't kill him, he just got sick and died elsewhere.
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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by Martin_B » Wed May 26, 2021 5:18 am

Fishnut wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 3:24 pm
A reminder that police excessive use of force is not restricted to any particular country. An inquest is currently underway in Perth, Australia, following the death of an indigenous man in 2017 who was tasered by police 10 times in less than two minutes.
Footage shot by witnesses showed Riley wailing as he was held down for seven minutes before an ambulance arrived.
It's all so depressingly familiar.

If you're wondering what he did to warrant such measures,
..two police officers had attended the Officeworks store in East Perth in May 2017 in response to unrelated reports of a robbery. They were alerted to Riley who was seen rocking from side to side and slapping his forehead... The officers approached the father of six and called triple zero to request an ambulance when he did not engage with them. Collins said Riley had then advanced on police and shouted “I’m going to kill you”, prompting Const Rory Winterburn to discharge his Taser. The police officers attempted to restrain the prone man as he struggled. “During this resistance, Mr Riley made repeated and continuous attempts to take possession of Constable [James] Wolfe’s firearm and bit down hard on Constable Wolfe’s arm causing it to bleed heavily,” Collins told the inquest.
Given that this is the police version of events, I will admit to having some skepticism. Though even if an accurate rendition of events, it suggests to me a serious need to improve police training to deal with mentally unwell people. Where's the attempt at de-escalating? Why is your immediate reaction to taser the guy? Just because he said he's going to kill you doesn't mean you have to take him seriously. He's an unarmed guy clearly going through a mental health crisis who's more a risk to himself than others.

It's also worth taking a look at the original reporting,
A man has died after he was allegedly Tasered by a police officer in East Perth on Friday. Police were responding to a robbery in Lord Street around 11.35am, when officers came across a man that needed medical attention. As officers helped the man he became aggressive and a police officer was injured. A officer then allegedly Tasered the man who became unresponsive. The man was taken to Royal Perth Hospital and died a short time later.
Once again we have no mention of restraint, a distortion of the timeline - the man was actually tasered before any physical contact with him was made - and an attempt to make it seem like he lived longer than he did. The Guardian say that he was taken to hospital where "he was pronounced dead" which sounds to me like he was dead on arrival. It's a minor point but it's something I've noticed in several of these cases. There seems to be this desire to distance the officers physically from the death. You didn't kill him, he just got sick and died elsewhere.
As an aside to this, the Officeworks store in East Perth (now since closed) was approximately 50 m from Royal Perth Hospital.

I wouldn't say:
The Guardian say that he was taken to hospital where "he was pronounced dead" which sounds to me like he was dead on arrival.
says anything like that at all. If he was taken to hospital and found dead on arrival, it would say "pronounced dead on arrival" rather than "pronounced dead". I take that to mean that he died at hospital and no indication on timescale is noted. Although given the police report says 'dies a short time later', it might mean after arrival but before a doctor could treat him.
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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by jdc » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:40 pm

jimbob wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:40 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other

I can see why one cop was arrested for murder. Kicking an unconscious man in the head several times is reasonable grounds to charge almost any attacker if the victim dies.
Cleared of the murder charge but later found guilty of manslaughter and got 8 years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-57603091
Speaking after the conviction, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was the first time in over 30 years that a British police officer had been convicted of manslaughter in the course of their duties.

Although there have been 10 murder or manslaughter charges brought against police officers since 1990, those accused have all either been acquitted or the case has collapsed.

Monk is also believed to be the first officer to face a murder charge after a person had been tasered by police.

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Post by jimbob » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:25 pm

jdc wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:40 pm
jimbob wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:40 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other

I can see why one cop was arrested for murder. Kicking an unconscious man in the head several times is reasonable grounds to charge almost any attacker if the victim dies.
Cleared of the murder charge but later found guilty of manslaughter and got 8 years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-57603091
Speaking after the conviction, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was the first time in over 30 years that a British police officer had been convicted of manslaughter in the course of their duties.

Although there have been 10 murder or manslaughter charges brought against police officers since 1990, those accused have all either been acquitted or the case has collapsed.

Monk is also believed to be the first officer to face a murder charge after a person had been tasered by police.
And of course, he had been disciplined for gross misconduct before this.

Not as bad as the killer of Ian Tomlinson, who had a string of disciplinary offences for violence and who got off completely.
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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by Fishnut » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:40 pm

A care worker who was assaulted during an arrest has been told that 'reasonable force' was used. He said he followed instructions,
“Yet I was dragged and slammed to the floor from the passenger side of the car and was violently kicked twice – once to my upper body and once to the face which resulted in blood gushing from my face.”

He added: “After I was assaulted and placed in handcuffs I was pulled to my feet. During this whole process I wasn’t given any indication or information as to why I was in this position. I was scared for my life with several guns pointing at me.”
The police performed an internal investigation and concluded that they had,
“complied with their responsibilities in law and there was no evidence of police misconduct”...

A spokesperson for South Yorkshire Police said: “On 22 May 2020, officers conducting a pre-planned operation in connection to a series of violent assaults using weapons stopped a vehicle matching the description of that used by the suspected offender in Saville Street, Sheffield.
The guy was, of course, black. He was also, of course, not the person they were looking for;
Once Musa had been detained, police officers took his details and found that they did not match with anybody they had a warrant for.
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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by IvanV » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:13 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:40 pm
A care worker who was assaulted during an arrest has been told that 'reasonable force' was used. He said he followed instructions,
“Yet I was dragged and slammed to the floor from the passenger side of the car and was violently kicked twice – once to my upper body and once to the face which resulted in blood gushing from my face.”

He added: “After I was assaulted and placed in handcuffs I was pulled to my feet. During this whole process I wasn’t given any indication or information as to why I was in this position. I was scared for my life with several guns pointing at me.”
The police performed an internal investigation and concluded that they had,
“complied with their responsibilities in law and there was no evidence of police misconduct”...

A spokesperson for South Yorkshire Police said: “On 22 May 2020, officers conducting a pre-planned operation in connection to a series of violent assaults using weapons stopped a vehicle matching the description of that used by the suspected offender in Saville Street, Sheffield.
The guy was, of course, black. He was also, of course, not the person they were looking for;
Once Musa had been detained, police officers took his details and found that they did not match with anybody they had a warrant for.
At a lower level of damage, this is basically the same issue as Jean Charles de Menezes and Harry Stanley who were both shot dead not resisting arrest while misidentified as suspects carrying lethal weapons.

Misidentified suspects often do not behave as the police expect, because the situation is a complete surprise to them and, being neither a criminal nor having a lethal weapon, don't understand the need to reassure the police that they are putting the police at no risk. So they do things that make the police think they are in danger, while having no understanding that they did that.

Given the eventual outcomes of those cases, I would think that the South Yorkshire careworker has a reasonable case in court for compensation. In a fairer society, they should be compensated without even having to ask for it.

We can understand that the police do need to take firm action when they think they are facing a dangerous situation, if we want them to face dangerous situations on our behalf. And policemen are also going to be put in situations where they will misidentify suspects. But I think we as society should also understand the need adequately to compensate those who suffer as a result.

Unfortunately when the government last overhauled compensation laws for the wrongfully imprisoned, it made it virtually impossible for them to gain compensation. It's a parallel situation, and part of the creeping authoritarianism of our present governance.

ETA: And the police really hate admitting errors, even when little damage is done. An acquaintance (middle class, well spoken, fair skinned) was once arrested about to go in through his front door, by a police officer who followed him there, with an "Are you (correct and very unusual name) of (address he was standing at)?" He was held in the police station for 5 hours without any questioning or discussion of why he was there, and then released. He was refused any explanation, as the error that had led to this was doubtless far too embarrassing to own up to. He wasn't going to get more than about 50p for wrongful arrest, so it ended there.

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Post by Trinucleus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:44 pm

South Yorkshire police are beyond reproach

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Post by snoozeofreason » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:38 am

In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. The human body was knocked up pretty late on the Friday afternoon, with a deadline looming. How well do you expect it to work?

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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by Fishnut » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:29 am

I meant to post this a few days ago but never got round to it, so thanks! The level of incompetence being shown by the police really quite astounding, not just in the immediate negligence of allowing an illegal raid to go ahead and not recording the names of the officers involved, but in their pathetic attempts to excuse themselves. If you're going to try and do a cover-up, at least do it well.

I was particularly annoyed at the raid as the squatters were running a "pay what you want" bookshop in the shop below, and I was going to visit when I was next in Bristol, which turned out to be a couple of days after the raid.
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Re: Police Brutality and Media Cover-Ups

Post by Millennie Al » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 am

Are we to believe that the officers involved were not paid? Or that the force's finance department is so negligent that it does not keep proper records of who is paid - essential for tax purposes?
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