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Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:10 pm

https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/

Exactly what the title says. New journal, peer reviewed, options for pseudonyms, regular submissions, claim it later etc. Should prove interesting.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Al Capone Junior » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:17 pm

Found thru sam harris' latest podcast

https://samharris.org/subscriber-extras ... ary-ideas/

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by bob sterman » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:18 pm

It seems publication using a pseudonym can be truly anonymous.

Instructions for authors say...
Authors should set up an email address to use exclusively to communicate with us. The email address should not include any reference to the author's name or other personal details. We recommend using an encrypted email service, such as ProtonMail. Authors should regularly check the email address while their manuscript is under consideration, since it will be the only means we have to communicate with them, and to provide updates as to the status of their manuscript. We strongly recommend using an email address that is not provided by a third party, such as an employer, that can claim a right to read the content of the author’s emails.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by sTeamTraen » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:47 pm

I'm quite sure that the chance to publish one's controversial ideas *in a peer-reviewed journal* definitely won't attract large numbers of racists, Holocaust deniers, climate "skeptics", and anti-vaxxers.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Little waster » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:12 pm

sTeamTraen wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:47 pm
I'm quite sure that the chance to publish one's controversial ideas *in a peer-reviewed journal* definitely won't attract large numbers of racists, Holocaust deniers, climate "skeptics", and anti-vaxxers.
IIRC it’s one of the founding tenets of science; the ability to anonymously publish ideas without the option to certify academia credentials, confirm lack of undisclosed COIs, assess previous publications or in any sense hold the authors accountable in anyway for their views.

I mean only good things can come from all that, Shirley.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Bird on a Fire » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:57 pm

I expect we're about to be shocked - shocked - to find that people who consider themselves intellectually persecuted are actually just c.nts.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by secret squirrel » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:33 am

The approach to pseudonymity is interesting, but what's the point of having 'controversial' ideas if you can't use them to hitch a ride on the Big Right Wing Grift Wagon?

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by bob sterman » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:28 am

Little waster wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:12 pm
IIRC it’s one of the founding tenets of science; the ability to anonymously publish ideas without the option to certify academia credentials, confirm lack of undisclosed COIs, assess previous publications or in any sense hold the authors accountable in anyway for their views.
It's also well known that many major scientific advances come from spoof manuscripts submitted to journals anonymously - that have been carefully crafted to contain hints that they have been written by a figure that the true author wishes to satitirise.

;)

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by causan_dux » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:12 am

bob sterman wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:28 am
Little waster wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:12 pm
IIRC it’s one of the founding tenets of science; the ability to anonymously publish ideas without the option to certify academia credentials, confirm lack of undisclosed COIs, assess previous publications or in any sense hold the authors accountable in anyway for their views.
It's also well known that many major scientific advances come from spoof manuscripts submitted to journals anonymously - that have been carefully crafted to contain hints that they have been written by a figure that the true author wishes to satitirise.

;)
I've already submitted my latest paper, entitled "Lysenko was right after all", under my usual pseudonym, Dick D. Awkins.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by dyqik » Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:35 am

secret squirrel wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:33 am
The approach to pseudonymity is interesting, but what's the point of having 'controversial' ideas if you can't use them to hitch a ride on the Big Right Wing Grift Wagon?
That's probably the second fatal flaw in this journal.

The first being that there aren't really any controversial ideas with any merit that you can't publish in regular journals. You just have to word it correctly.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Vertigowooyay » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:03 pm

So I could write an anonymous paper comprising of absolute bollocks to a disreputable journal, and then submit a similarly bollocksy non-anonymous paper to another disreputable journal, but cite the first load of bollocks as a source?

Seems legit.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Tessa K » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:16 pm

bob sterman wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:18 pm
It seems publication using a pseudonym can be truly anonymous.

Instructions for authors say...
Authors should set up an email address to use exclusively to communicate with us. The email address should not include any reference to the author's name or other personal details. We recommend using an encrypted email service, such as ProtonMail. Authors should regularly check the email address while their manuscript is under consideration, since it will be the only means we have to communicate with them, and to provide updates as to the status of their manuscript. We strongly recommend using an email address that is not provided by a third party, such as an employer, that can claim a right to read the content of the author’s emails.
Hhm. It would probably take a talented young hacker about five minutes to get the true identities. But that would be wrong, of course.

It's pretty much vanity publishing. Someone thinks their ideas are SO important the world deserves to hear them.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Fishnut » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:18 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:16 pm
It's pretty much vanity publishing. Someone thinks their ideas are SO important the world deserves to hear them.
Cowardly vanity publishing - their ideas are so important but they don't have the courage to stand by them.
it's okay to say "I don't know"

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Tessa K » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:25 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:16 pm
It's pretty much vanity publishing. Someone thinks their ideas are SO important the world deserves to hear them.
Cowardly vanity publishing - their ideas are so important but they don't have the courage to stand by them.
Oh but cancel culture blah blah blah

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Boustrophedon » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:55 pm

It does seem to be an opportunity for a Scrutable competition, lets see who can be first to get a load of codswallop published.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by dyqik » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:14 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:55 pm
It does seem to be an opportunity for a Scrutable competition, lets see who can be first to get a load of codswallop published.
How do we sign up to be anonymous reviewers as well as contributors?

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Tessa K » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:17 pm

dyqik wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:14 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:55 pm
It does seem to be an opportunity for a Scrutable competition, lets see who can be first to get a load of codswallop published.
How do we sign up to be anonymous reviewers as well as contributors?
It's a homeopathic journal; the fewer reviews an article gets, the more potent the ideas.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Bewildered » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:20 pm

Just out of curiosity was Sam Harris criticising it or promoting it on his podcast? It is quite hard to guess...

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by philbo » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:04 pm

Maybe someone should start up a "Journal of uncontroversial ideas"

..so research such as "Arboreal areas and the probability of ursine excreta" or "Papal catholicism index" can be published, peer-reviewed, and cited whenever making an obvious point

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Tessa K » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:20 pm

philbo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:04 pm
Maybe someone should start up a "Journal of uncontroversial ideas"

..so research such as "Arboreal areas and the probability of ursine excreta" or "Papal catholicism index" can be published, peer-reviewed, and cited whenever making an obvious point
Or the Journal of Controversial Ideas That Don't Matter Very Much.

Like the best kind of bacon. Or whether scones should be cream or jam first (SKON not SKONE).

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Boustrophedon » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:33 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:20 pm
Or whether scones should be cream or jam first (SKON not SKONE).
You've started it now.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by Tessa K » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:47 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:33 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:20 pm
Or whether scones should be cream or jam first (SKON not SKONE).
You've started it now.
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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by dyqik » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:51 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:47 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:33 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:20 pm
Or whether scones should be cream or jam first (SKON not SKONE).
You've started it now.
I am Editor in Chief. My word is final!!
I don't remember voting for you.

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by philbo » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:58 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:20 pm
philbo wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:04 pm
Maybe someone should start up a "Journal of uncontroversial ideas"

..so research such as "Arboreal areas and the probability of ursine excreta" or "Papal catholicism index" can be published, peer-reviewed, and cited whenever making an obvious point
Or the Journal of Controversial Ideas That Don't Matter Very Much.

Like the best kind of bacon. Or whether scones should be cream or jam first (SKON not SKONE).
The best kind of bacon is that which is on my plate rather than someone else's

My partner is a fundamentalist "cream or jam first but I can't remember which"..I have had many dozens of scones where I've done top half one way and bottom half the other and really can't tell the difference.

But re the pronunciation: when it's on the plate in front of you, it's a SKONE; when you've eaten it, it's SKON

The journal sounds like it has merit :D

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Re: Journal of controversial ideas

Post by JQH » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:59 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:51 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:47 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:33 pm


You've started it now.
I am Editor in Chief. My word is final!!
I don't remember voting for you.
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