Re: Journal of controversial ideas
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:12 pm
I'd like to submit my article "Monty Python Quotes: An unimaginative substitute for humor?"
No, this argument is dead. It's gone to join the choir invisible... [continue ad nauseam]
Judging by the posts above, it is.
Impressively, the author has foregone the opportunity to remain anonymous.Wearing black make-up to impersonate black individuals has become highly controversial in many countries, even when it is part of long-standing cultural traditions... In this article, I challenge the widely held view that black make-up traditions are categorically wrong. Specifically, I argue that these traditions can be morally vindicated if (i) the large majority of individuals who help to maintain them do not believe that they denigrate black people; (ii) the relevant traditions do not depict black people in denigrating ways; and (iii) the relevant traditions are not gratuitously offensive.
Wow what an amazing and novel idea, thank god we have this journal as otherwise this idea would have never been aired ... other than by every pissed racist tw.t in my local pub on any given (non-lockdown) Friday evening obviously.Fishnut wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:57 pmI argue that these traditions can be morally vindicated if (i) the large majority of individuals who help to maintain them do not believe that they denigrate black people; (ii) the relevant traditions do not depict black people in denigrating ways; and (iii) the relevant traditions are not gratuitously offensive.
He seems to be taking it to ludicrous extremes in his work profile picture there.Fishnut wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:57 pmI missed that the first issue is out. A tweet alerted me to this paper:
Black Pete, King Balthasar, and the New Orleans Zulus: Can Black Make-Up Traditions Ever Be Justified?Impressively, the author has foregone the opportunity to remain anonymous.Wearing black make-up to impersonate black individuals has become highly controversial in many countries, even when it is part of long-standing cultural traditions... In this article, I challenge the widely held view that black make-up traditions are categorically wrong. Specifically, I argue that these traditions can be morally vindicated if (i) the large majority of individuals who help to maintain them do not believe that they denigrate black people; (ii) the relevant traditions do not depict black people in denigrating ways; and (iii) the relevant traditions are not gratuitously offensive.
It appears to be written by someone who doesn't really know what a "coma" is - thinks it's like putting your computer into sleep mode and waking it up again.Holylol wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:22 amI think this journal is going to become my favorite read when I am feeling down.
I have just read the abstract, but this looks like a gem:
https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/article/1/1/139
The bibliography is in fact footnotes and references to wikipedia
If there was a medically neutral way to put someone in a "pure coma" for X years then I think this could be the basis of an interesting abstract philosophical discussion about punishment. But there isn't. (A certain amount of early Covid "skepticism" seemed to imagine that being on a ventilator for a month was a bit of a jape, like getting stuck somewhere on holiday due to a coup that closed the airport. Something to talk about at dinner parties.)bob sterman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:00 pmIt appears to be written by someone who doesn't really know what a "coma" is - thinks it's like putting your computer into sleep mode and waking it up again.
Based on no knowledge at all I would guess it costs more to maintain someone safely in a coma for years than to put them in a cell. The penal system in many countries is already overstretched. Not that this is a reason to avoid discussing the theory but sometimes real-life considerations should be factored in. The coma punishment also precludes rehabilitation.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pmIf there was a medically neutral way to put someone in a "pure coma" for X years then I think this could be the basis of an interesting abstract philosophical discussion about punishment. But there isn't. (A certain amount of early Covid "skepticism" seemed to imagine that being on a ventilator for a month was a bit of a jape, like getting stuck somewhere on holiday due to a coup that closed the airport. Something to talk about at dinner parties.)bob sterman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:00 pmIt appears to be written by someone who doesn't really know what a "coma" is - thinks it's like putting your computer into sleep mode and waking it up again.
It's just basically a stupid idea. I wouldn't even call it contraversial because nobody in their right mind is promoting putting criminals in comas*. It's pointless. No rehabilitation, not really a punishment, costs a bomb and wastes resources like medical staff.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:52 pmBased on no knowledge at all I would guess it costs more to maintain someone safely in a coma for years than to put them in a cell. The penal system in many countries is already overstretched. Not that this is a reason to avoid discussing the theory but sometimes real-life considerations should be factored in. The coma punishment also precludes rehabilitation.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pmIf there was a medically neutral way to put someone in a "pure coma" for X years then I think this could be the basis of an interesting abstract philosophical discussion about punishment. But there isn't. (A certain amount of early Covid "skepticism" seemed to imagine that being on a ventilator for a month was a bit of a jape, like getting stuck somewhere on holiday due to a coup that closed the airport. Something to talk about at dinner parties.)bob sterman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:00 pmIt appears to be written by someone who doesn't really know what a "coma" is - thinks it's like putting your computer into sleep mode and waking it up again.
I get the point of thought experiments but if some of these articles were stand-up routines they'd be heckled off after a couple of lines. Have you heard the one about ... Is it just me or... get off, you're sh.t.nezumi wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:33 pmIt's just basically a stupid idea. I wouldn't even call it contraversial because nobody in their right mind is promoting putting criminals in comas*. It's pointless. No rehabilitation, not really a punishment, costs a bomb and wastes resources like medical staff.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:52 pmBased on no knowledge at all I would guess it costs more to maintain someone safely in a coma for years than to put them in a cell. The penal system in many countries is already overstretched. Not that this is a reason to avoid discussing the theory but sometimes real-life considerations should be factored in. The coma punishment also precludes rehabilitation.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pm
If there was a medically neutral way to put someone in a "pure coma" for X years then I think this could be the basis of an interesting abstract philosophical discussion about punishment. But there isn't. (A certain amount of early Covid "skepticism" seemed to imagine that being on a ventilator for a month was a bit of a jape, like getting stuck somewhere on holiday due to a coup that closed the airport. Something to talk about at dinner parties.)
Journal of Total Write-Off Ideas - which is actually going to be the title of my book Or would be, if I ever wrote a book.
* well, not medically induced ones anyway...
I haven’t read it and if this was in a proper philosophy journal I’d wonder if the problem was really philosophers speculating while being too ignorant of the science or instead if it was science picking up on a lack of accuracy in fairly irrelevant detail to what the wider principles that are being explored by the philosopher. But this is not in a proper philosophy journal. To me it looks like it’s a weird vanity project from some famous people that is not fixed to any specific discipline, will be way too broad to get proper peer review and is more about making a stupid point than giving a place for serious science or philosophy or history etc or some combination thereof.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:31 pmI get the point of thought experiments but if some of these articles were stand-up routines they'd be heckled off after a couple of lines. Have you heard the one about ... Is it just me or... get off, you're sh.t.nezumi wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:33 pmIt's just basically a stupid idea. I wouldn't even call it contraversial because nobody in their right mind is promoting putting criminals in comas*. It's pointless. No rehabilitation, not really a punishment, costs a bomb and wastes resources like medical staff.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:52 pm
Based on no knowledge at all I would guess it costs more to maintain someone safely in a coma for years than to put them in a cell. The penal system in many countries is already overstretched. Not that this is a reason to avoid discussing the theory but sometimes real-life considerations should be factored in. The coma punishment also precludes rehabilitation.
Journal of Total Write-Off Ideas - which is actually going to be the title of my book Or would be, if I ever wrote a book.
* well, not medically induced ones anyway...
But calling it the Journal of Attention Seeking Bigots wouldn't have been as popular.Bewildered wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:08 amI haven’t read it and if this was in a proper philosophy journal I’d wonder if the problem was really philosophers speculating while being too ignorant of the science or instead if it was science picking up on a lack of accuracy in fairly irrelevant detail to what the wider principles that are being explored by the philosopher. But this is not in a proper philosophy journal. To me it looks like it’s a weird vanity project from some famous people that is not fixed to any specific discipline, will be way too broad to get proper peer review and is more about making a stupid point than giving a place for serious science or philosophy or history etc or some combination thereof.Tessa K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:31 pmI get the point of thought experiments but if some of these articles were stand-up routines they'd be heckled off after a couple of lines. Have you heard the one about ... Is it just me or... get off, you're sh.t.nezumi wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:33 pm
It's just basically a stupid idea. I wouldn't even call it contraversial because nobody in their right mind is promoting putting criminals in comas*. It's pointless. No rehabilitation, not really a punishment, costs a bomb and wastes resources like medical staff.
Journal of Total Write-Off Ideas - which is actually going to be the title of my book Or would be, if I ever wrote a book.
* well, not medically induced ones anyway...