Re: UFOs
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:36 pm
Not that they'd see the explosion from.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:36 pmThere's no way to make some kind of weapon out if it, then?
So you need to get them to invest in massive telescopes in some solar orbit. Firstly to identify a suitable planet and secondly to be able to see the flash if you keep accelerating and don't try to slow down but just hit the planet insteaddyqik wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:42 pmNot that they'd see the explosion from.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:36 pmThere's no way to make some kind of weapon out if it, then?
First they'd have to invest in life-elongation or hibernation technologies.jimbob wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:42 amSo you need to get them to invest in massive telescopes in some solar orbit. Firstly to identify a suitable planet and secondly to be able to see the flash if you keep accelerating and don't try to slow down but just hit the planet insteaddyqik wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:42 pmNot that they'd see the explosion from.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:36 pm
There's no way to make some kind of weapon out if it, then?
That's easily fixable. Get them to give you a zillion dollars to develop hibernation techniques. After a couple of years spending the money wisely on a nice tropical beach somewhere, tell them you've solved it. If the nice politicians would step this way, yes that's right, into the freezer... Yes, it is cold... Yes of course we'll remember to wake you up... Everyone's happy.
The trick is to then _not_ ship them off to find another planet, just in case they accidentally find a planet sized computer to land on.Sciolus wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:48 amThat's easily fixable. Get them to give you a zillion dollars to develop hibernation techniques. After a couple of years spending the money wisely on a nice tropical beach somewhere, tell them you've solved it. If the nice politicians would step this way, yes that's right, into the freezer... Yes, it is cold... Yes of course we'll remember to wake you up... Everyone's happy.
So we're back to the "don't worry about deceleration" in interstellar travel solutiondyqik wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:58 amThe trick is to then _not_ ship them off to find another planet, just in case they accidentally find a planet sized computer to land on.Sciolus wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:48 amThat's easily fixable. Get them to give you a zillion dollars to develop hibernation techniques. After a couple of years spending the money wisely on a nice tropical beach somewhere, tell them you've solved it. If the nice politicians would step this way, yes that's right, into the freezer... Yes, it is cold... Yes of course we'll remember to wake you up... Everyone's happy.
I stopped being into UFOs after I read The Demon Haunted World. Much like with homeopathy or ghosts, there is a huge amount of weak evidence. But after decades and a huge amount of effort, nothing that is conclusive.jimbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:28 amI don't think Randall Munroe is convinced that the explanation isn't mundane.
https://m.xkcd.com/2472/
Umm. Not. Sorry.
Yes but I find they're more interesting when they're explained (like the link I put on page 1 to a YouTuber explaining what they show). The trouble with being sufficiently experienced that you know you're pretty hard to deceive is that on the rarer occasions when you deceive yourself it's hard to accept you did. The "go fast" video is a particularly fine example of an optical illusion where the plane's speed and the object's height makes it look like it's skimming rapidly over the sea when it's actually floating along slowly at about half the plane's altitude. And all the information to work that out is right there in the on-screen data, but the illusion is strong.But the USAF / USN videos are somewhat interesting... in that its been captured by high tech imaging and was detected by both ship and air based tracking, and by experienced pilots - pretty hard to deceive
It often seems to be the case that UFO fans mix around their stories and don't take care not to confuse one sighting with another so that it becomes unclear whether any particular sighting was actually detected both by pilots and by ground observers and if so whether both were actually looking at the same thing. So it probably depends on exactly what you mean by "these things". The TicTac video for example might have been an airliner 80-100 miles away. It could have also been picked up by ship's radar, I don't know, but the only strange aspect, its weird revolving spinning top shape, was almost certainly an artefact of the camera tracking it, not anything about the object itself.
And an assertion that something was picked up and tracked on radar isn't the same thing as saying that radar detected it making sudden and unusual changes in velocity that match the pilot's observations.Martin Y wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:26 pmIt often seems to be the case that UFO fans mix around their stories and don't take care not to confuse one sighting with another so that it becomes unclear whether any particular sighting was actually detected both by pilots and by ground observers and if so whether both were actually looking at the same thing. So it probably depends on exactly what you mean by "these things". The TicTac video for example might have been an airliner 80-100 miles away. It could have also been picked up by ship's radar, I don't know, but the only strange aspect, its weird revolving spinning top shape, was almost certainly an artefact of the camera tracking it, not anything about the object itself.
ETA Yes, the go fast object was, I think, picked up by radar, which suggests it was a weather balloon as those carry small simple radar reflectors. I have no doubt the US Navy are smart enough to realise it was something mundane. The pilot seems to have gained himself a bit of TV fame by declaring it baffling.