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dyqik wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:21 pm

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:03 pm

dyqik wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:49 pm

You have to remember that the direct cause of the first shots of the American revolution at Concord and Lexington was a British Army raid to seize the militia stockpile of arms and ammunition.

Like the 3rd Amendment, the 2nd Amendment should probably be seen as a historical artefact of one of the causes of the Declaration of Independence as much as some high principle.

I wouldn't go that far. Article 1, Section 8 Clauses 15-16 deal with the raising and arming of a militia. So the US constitution explicitly envisages the creation of both. This isn't unusual. At the time Britain also had the ability to raise standing army and navy and territorial militias.

PS In the earlier post I should have written Article 1 Section 8 Clauses 12-14

There's a big difference between giving the government the power to do something, which is what Article 1 does, and the Bill of Rights, which denies powers to the government. You should read the Bill of Rights as the negative of Article 1.

1.COVID vaccines are more dangerous than assault weapons. Benitez spilled a great deal of ink arguing that mass shootings involving assault weapons are “infinitesimally rare.” “More people have died from the Covid-19 vaccine than mass shootings in California.”

2. The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”
The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out.

3. “Simply brandishing such a weapon (AR 15) may cause an intruder to flee precisely because it appears to be dangerous and fully loaded,” he declared. “It is difficult to imagine the same psychological effect on a home invader (or two invaders)from brandishing a 2-shot derringer. It is a reasonable inference that the visual threat presented by a homeowner holding a modern rifle with a large magazine makes it an effective deterrent without firing a shot.”

Benitez rejected a study that found that most people need just 2.2 shots when using a gun in self-defense. He called this finding “a myth” because it rested partly on news reports of shootings and included incidents when no shots were fired. The study, he wrote, “fails the scientific method.”



4.Banning assault weapons leads to mass rape. Benitez cited FBI statistics that between 2003 and 2007, 7,700 women were raped during a home invasion. If all those women had “been armed with an assault weapon,” the judge wrote, they “may not have suffered a violent victimization.”

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:22 am

2. The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”
The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out.

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:39 am

...He thinks more people have died from COVID vaccinations than mass shootings.

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:36 am

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:22 am

2. The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”
The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out.

It can be worse. A bullet from an AR15 has is about three times the energy. But a larger 7.62mm caliber bullet has about five times the energy (as the mass of the projectile is greater).

In terms of the damage to the victim it matters enormously what combination of firearm and ammunition was used.

Very high powered rifle bullets have up to circa 13 times the energy of a pistol bullet. But they wouldn't be fired from an assault rifle.

monkey wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:59 pm

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:36 am

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:22 am

2. The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”
The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out.

It can be worse. A bullet from an AR15 has is about three times the energy. But a larger 7.62mm caliber bullet has about five times the energy (as the mass of the projectile is greater).

In terms of the damage to the victim it matters enormously what combination of firearm and ammunition was used.

Very high powered rifle bullets have up to circa 13 times the energy of a pistol bullet. But they wouldn't be fired from an assault rifle.

If the bullet is going 3x as fast, it has 9x the energy and 3x the momentum (with the same mass).

IvanV wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:15 pm

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:39 am

...He thinks more people have died from COVID vaccinations than mass shootings.

He might have looked at what the Center for Disease Control said and misunderstood it. At first glance, you might think that 4863 deaths in the USA are due to COVID vaccination (near the bottom). But this is just the number of people who died shortly after having the vaccine. Very few of them are attributable to the vaccine. The great majority will have died because their time had come by chance just after having the vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... vents.html

The kind of absurd things the judge said are widely believed in the US, including by influential people such as supreme court judges. Or at least they make it a mark of their tribe to treat them as true regardless of the evidence. So we can imagine that whether this case is overturned will be based on dogma rather than dispassionate evaluation of evidence.

I think the US arrangement whereby the president chooses supreme court judges is terrible governance.

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:08 pm

monkey wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:59 pm

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:36 am

It can be worse. A bullet from an AR15 has is about three times the energy. But a larger 7.62mm caliber bullet has about five times the energy (as the mass of the projectile is greater).

In terms of the damage to the victim it matters enormously what combination of firearm and ammunition was used.

Very high powered rifle bullets have up to circa 13 times the energy of a pistol bullet. But they wouldn't be fired from an assault rifle.

If the bullet is going 3x as fast, it has 9x the energy and 3x the momentum (with the same mass).

You can do your own calculations here: http://www.shooterscalculator.com/bulle ... energy.php

monkey wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:59 pm

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:36 am

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:22 am

2. The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”
The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out.

It can be worse. A bullet from an AR15 has is about three times the energy. But a larger 7.62mm caliber bullet has about five times the energy (as the mass of the projectile is greater).

In terms of the damage to the victim it matters enormously what combination of firearm and ammunition was used.

Very high powered rifle bullets have up to circa 13 times the energy of a pistol bullet. But they wouldn't be fired from an assault rifle.

If the bullet is going 3x as fast, it has 9x the energy and 3x the momentum (with the same mass).

veravista wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:23 am

I've heard that lots of people thank the lord that the bullet that hit them was only travelling at a third of the speed of the equivalent assault rifle projectile. Probably.