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Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:11 am

It's worth pointing out that, across all forces (not just the Met),
Inquest wrote:Black, Asian and Minoritised Ethnicities (BAME) die disproportionately as a result of use of force or restraint by the police, raising serious questions of institutional racism as a contributory factor in their deaths.
https://www.inquest.org.uk/bame-deaths- ... ce-custody

More generally, black people are over-represented at every stage of the "justice" system:
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from https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ystem-2020

During the BLM protests in 2020 it was common to hear people confused about why there were protests in the UK, when racist policing is a US problem. It's clearly not the case - but I think the UK is in some ways quite far behind in its national conversation.

Still, thank f.ck British bobbies don't generally have guns. Makes it just that bit harder for them to destroy people's lives.
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Post by jimbob » Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:26 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:11 am
It's worth pointing out that, across all forces (not just the Met),
Inquest wrote:Black, Asian and Minoritised Ethnicities (BAME) die disproportionately as a result of use of force or restraint by the police, raising serious questions of institutional racism as a contributory factor in their deaths.
https://www.inquest.org.uk/bame-deaths- ... ce-custody

More generally, black people are over-represented at every stage of the "justice" system:
Image
from https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ystem-2020

During the BLM protests in 2020 it was common to hear people confused about why there were protests in the UK, when racist policing is a US problem. It's clearly not the case - but I think the UK is in some ways quite far behind in its national conversation.

Still, thank f.ck British bobbies don't generally have guns. Makes it just that bit harder for them to destroy people's lives.
I have retweeted this Communist rag's take on the data several times in reply to such questions about the UKs need for a Black lives matter campaign

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Post by Woodchopper » Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:01 pm

Former members of killer policeman Wayne Couzens’ elite unit shared sick messages including one celebrating the murder of George Floyd.

A Met Police whistleblower has come forward with a massive archive of racist, sexist and homophobic images in a WhatsApp group including ex-officers from the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection command.

One celebrates the 2020 US police killing of Mr Floyd, which sparked the Black Lives Matter movement. A doctored photograph titled “Pink Floyd”, shows the victim’s dying moments as a Minneapolis officer kneels on his head.

Other messages shared in the group include an image of Prince Harry and wife Meghan with racist language.

And a picture was posted of a mocked-up T-shirt with an image of British BLM activist Sasha Johnson, who was shot last year, with a bullet hole in her head and the words “Black Lives Splatter”.

A spoof pandemic poster shows a white mother and child two metres from a black child and the comment: “Quite right, probably carrying a blade.”

There is an image of a hippopotamus sculpture captioned: “Guys... who votes we pull down this statue of Diane Abbott?”

And a message mocking the murder of Sarah Everard three days after Couzens’ arrest, says: “Sick b*****d, only a few people I can send this to will find it as funny as we do.”

The cache is the latest in a string of scandals which have resulted in the resignation this weekend of Met Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick.

Whistleblower Dave Eden 62, a member of the protection command in the 1990s, was in a WhatsApp group started in 2018.

Members had to be invited and vouched for by current and former PaDP officers, he said. It is also thought to have included serving and former non-PaDP officers.

He said Ms Dick had paid “lip service to prevention” and issued “meaningless diversity statements”.
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Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Post by jimbob » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:24 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:00 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ell-letter

Diddums
“We hear the criticism, know not everyone has confidence in us to provide a good service when they need us, and have seen among us those whose horrific actions have let you all, and us, down so terribly.

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“We are listening and acting on what you tell us so we can change for the better. Just this week we launched our violence against women and girls plan, shaped by the views of hundreds of Londoners.”
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Post by JQH » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:00 pm

jimbob wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:00 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ell-letter

Diddums
Policing has been overtly politicised at least since the Miners Strike. Perhaps that escaped her notice.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:51 pm

Policing is intrinsically political. She doesn't like that the usual victims of that politics are slowly gaining a little ground.
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Post by jimbob » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:13 pm

And another set of Met police officers ignoring women's complaints about a now-convicted rapist.



https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... l-attacker
The Met said it handled the case properly and urged women to come forward. The force said it was “absolutely dedicated to achieving criminal justice outcomes for victim-survivors”. Police said they received one other complaint against Greliak, which was investigated and did not lead to charges.
Not sure how they can be so certain before investigating their response and the complaints of the women about the officers involved, but then I'm not as experienced in crime as senior members of the Met.
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Post by Gfamily » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:39 pm

jimbob wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:13 pm
And another set of Met police officers ignoring women's complaints about a now-convicted rapist.



https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... l-attacker
The Met said it handled the case properly and urged women to come forward. The force said it was “absolutely dedicated to achieving criminal justice outcomes for victim-survivors”. Police said they received one other complaint against Greliak, which was investigated and did not lead to charges.
Not sure how they can be so certain before investigating their response and the complaints of the women about the officers involved, but then I'm not as experienced in crime as senior members of the Met.
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Post by jimbob » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:42 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:39 pm
jimbob wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:13 pm
And another set of Met police officers ignoring women's complaints about a now-convicted rapist.



https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... l-attacker
The Met said it handled the case properly and urged women to come forward. The force said it was “absolutely dedicated to achieving criminal justice outcomes for victim-survivors”. Police said they received one other complaint against Greliak, which was investigated and did not lead to charges.
Not sure how they can be so certain before investigating their response and the complaints of the women about the officers involved, but then I'm not as experienced in crime as senior members of the Met.
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Post by Sciolus » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:53 pm

Met Police interfere in May local elections by covering up further criminal activity.

This is a clear breach of guidelines for civil servants, which says:
In particular, civil servants are under an obligation:... not to undertake any activity that could call into question their political impartiality. It is important to remember that this applies to online communication such as social media, in the same way as other activity.
In all cases essential business, which includes routine business necessary to ensure the continued smooth functioning of government and public services, must be allowed to continue.

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Post by shpalman » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:24 am

Williams and Dos Santos were stopped at 1.20pm on 4 July 2020 in Maida Vale, north-west London, by officers from the Met’s Territorial Support Group.
... They were searched on suspicion of having drugs and weapons, with none found, while their three-month-old son was in the back seat. Both adults were handcuffed.

Officers are claimed to have said they believed they could smell cannabis as their justification for searching the two elite athletes.

Dos Santos was driving the Mercedes and Williams was in the rear seat with their baby.

The incident lasted an hour and the couple alleged a baton was raised by officers, some of whom are alleged to have been aggressive, with Dos Santos claiming he was “dragged” out of the car...

In July 2021, Dos Santos told the Guardian: “The officer dragged me out of the car with a raised baton and handcuffed me, he falsely alleged that he could smell cannabis on me and recorded this as the justification for the search on the stop and search form.”

...

The incident lasted around an hour. Nothing illegal was found and no arrests were made.
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Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:03 pm

And according to this thread they’re effectively in special measures https://twitter.com/theousherwood/statu ... orMSi9RFqg
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Post by Opti » Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:14 pm

WTAF!

Wasn't told which specific words are offensive.
Time for a big fat one.

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Post by Grumble » Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:35 pm

Opti wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:14 pm
WTAF!

Wasn't told which specific words are offensive.
Funnily enough I’ve never heard the word “downys” before reading that, but I realised it was offensive.
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Post by jdc » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:17 pm

Just as an aside, I think “struggle snuggle” comes from a Jimmy Carr bit on 'rebranding' rape.

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Post by JQH » Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:19 pm

And evidence of yet another racist WhatsApp group with cops and immigration officials as members emerges.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 1665063616
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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:53 am

Baroness Casey has published her interim review of the Metropolitan Police, here.

The Times summarises it thusly:
Metropolitan Police lets sex pests and racists avoid sack
Casey review finds ‘anything goes’ on force where officers get away with crime

Sex offenders, racists and misogynists are working at the Metropolitan Police owing to an “anything goes” attitude towards misconduct and systemic failings to sack officers, a review has found.

Sir Mark Rowley, the new commissioner, admitted that there were hundreds of serving officers and staff who should have been thrown out.

An independent review by Baroness Casey of Blackstock has said that officers got away with criminal behaviour, and that repeated incidents of sexual misconduct were not treated as serious transgressions. The system was not fit for purpose, she said, highlighting systemic racial bias and officers who escaped censure even after several serious misconduct complaints.

Casey was appointed to carry out a review after the abduction, rape and murder of Sarah Everard last year by a serving officer. There was an outpouring of scandals, including officers who joked about raping colleagues and killing black children.

Casey’s interim report, published today, focused only on how internal complaints are handled. A wider review is expected in the new year.

Nearly half of female officers in one unit had experienced misogyny in the previous six months. Black officers were 81 per cent more likely than their white colleagues to attract internal misconduct complaints, and black and Asian probationers were more than 120 per cent more likely to face serious disciplinary investigations.

Casey said the “truly awful” conduct of a minority shamed the force. Officers and staff correctly believed that reporting misconduct would bring no action, adding to a sense that “anything goes”.

She highlighted the case of an officer accused 11 times of misconduct including sharing explicit images of himself, sexual harassment, fraud and assault. He has been arrested and received two formal sanctions but is still working at the Met.

Another serving officer received two final written warnings in six misconduct cases for oppressive conduct and harassment, neglect of duty and leakage of information and discriminatory behaviour on social media. A third escaped serious sanction despite misconduct cases for domestic abuse, sexual assault, safeguarding failures and a disrespectful attitude.

Casey’s team found that more than 1,809 officers and staff had faced multiple misconduct allegations since 2013, with 41 of them involved in between six and 19 cases. Of the total, 13 have been sacked. She warned that the failure to get rid of repeat offenders and officers who were responsible for “hair-raising” behaviour was among a litany of shortcomings that meant the misconduct system was not fit for purpose.

“Cases take simply too long to resolve,” she said. “Allegations are much more likely to be dropped than acted upon and especially so if they involve issues of discrimination or sexual misconduct. There remains clear racial disparity and systemic bias throughout the system and within that, there is clear evidence of misogyny.”

White officers were dealt with less harshly than their black or Asian counterparts. Between April 2021 and March this year, black officers and staff were 81 per cent more likely to face an internal misconduct allegation than white colleagues. Casey noted that there was no disproportionality in complaints made against officers by the public. Black and Asian probationers were more than 120 per cent more likely to face a serious internal investigation that could result in the sack.

Today’s interim report is on internal misconduct reports only, with a wider review into culture and vetting failures expected in the New Year. Despite the recent focus on culture and integrity, in one borough command unit, 47 per cent of female employees who responded to a survey said that they had experienced sexism and misogyny in the past six months.

Between 55 per cent and 60 per cent of all misconduct allegations resulted in a finding of no case to answer, higher than the national average of 46 per cent. Sanctions were even less likely in cases involving discrimination and sexual misconduct. After the conviction of one officer, it emerged that a female colleague had previously reported him to supervisors saying he had sexually assaulted her, Casey’s team found.

Sir Mark Rowley, the new commissioner brought in to restore trust in the force, said he was appalled by the findings and apologised to officers and members of the public.

Dame Cressida Dick, Rowley’s predecessor, repeatedly claimed that there was “zero tolerance” for misconduct. Such claims were premature, Rowley said, adding that the failure to root out racism, misogyny, homophobia and ableism had “shamed us”.

Rowley said that he was lobbying the Home Office for changes to legislation to give him more power to sack rogue officers. Yesterday Suella Braverman, the home secretary, announced a review of police dismissals, including the oversight of misconduct panels by independent chairmen rather than chiefs. Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, said that the situation at the Met was “even worse than feared”.
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Post by Opti » Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:17 am

Who'd have guessed that.
Especially considering the haste with which recruits have been sought after allowing police numbers to fall to record lows.
Seems like they'll employ anybody.
Time for a big fat one.

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Post by IvanV » Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 am

Opti wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:17 am
Who'd have guessed that.
Especially considering the haste with which recruits have been sought after allowing police numbers to fall to record lows.
Seems like they'll employ anybody.
The police pay review of 2011/12 resulted in lower starting salaries for police officers, albeit with a steeper subsequent progression. Continuing austerity over the last decade has eroded the values of those salaries.

This might explain why for several years police have struggled to recruit.

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Post by basementer » Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:07 pm

Your link is to an article about policing in the USA. A bit off topic?
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Post by IvanV » Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:15 pm

basementer wrote:
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Your link is to an article about policing in the USA. A bit off topic?
Whoops. Apologies.

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Post by IvanV » Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:12 pm

IvanV wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:27 am
Opti wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:17 am
Who'd have guessed that.
Especially considering the haste with which recruits have been sought after allowing police numbers to fall to record lows.
Seems like they'll employ anybody.
The police pay review of 2011/12 resulted in lower starting salaries for police officers, albeit with a steeper subsequent progression. Continuing austerity over the last decade has eroded the values of those salaries.

This might explain why for several years police have struggled to recruit.
As has been pointed out, to my embarrassment, that was a not a good reference. So I've gone back and tried better.

So I've poked around to try and find a real one. Back at the start of the year, Thames Valley Police said it was struggling to recruit to meet the new police force increase requirements. But in the last couple of weeks, TVP says recruitment is on-track. Perhaps the revelations of the recent report shows how they achieved that.

It is notable that news and House of Commons analysis back in 2019 at the time of the announcement of the extra 20,000 officers did say that would be challenging. Initially a shortage of trainers to get so many new officers trained was likely to be a problem. But it acknowledged that the tight jobs market would also make it challenge, given that wage increases were not being promised.

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