Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt

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Re: Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:36 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
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How would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.

Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?
You could fire leadership, reshuffle teams and go for mass re-training combined with strict discipline.

I'm pretty sure the current government is more than happy to have squadrons of unaccountable thugs on call in London though, even if they do line their own pockets a bit as well as beating the sh.t out of protestors etc.
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Re: Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt

Post by monkey » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:57 pm

Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pm
How would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.

Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?
Police Unions aren't a thing in the UK. Their interests are represented by the Police Federations. They're basically a union, but explicitly aren't. A lot of it is based on everyone acting on good faith, including them being apolitical, in place of Police being allowed to strike. Ultimately, they don't carry as much clout as the Police Unions in the US. They were set up like this after police strikes just after WW1, as a way to curtail their power.

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Re: Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt

Post by plodder » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:44 am

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I think they also like to promote the line that everything is terrible and untrustworthy and corrupt (except the Mail themselves, of course). People buy into right-wing shite more if they're afraid and distrustful, so purveyors of right-wing shite need to maximise the number of things their customers fear and distrust.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:14 pm

plodder wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:44 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:58 pm
I think they also like to promote the line that everything is terrible and untrustworthy and corrupt (except the Mail themselves, of course). People buy into right-wing shite more if they're afraid and distrustful, so purveyors of right-wing shite need to maximise the number of things their customers fear and distrust.
This job is made easier by the fact that everything is terrible and untrustworthy.
Totes - but they are too ;) Occasionally they are on the side of reality, but only in a "stopped clock" kind of way.
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Post by plodder » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:45 pm

Don't want to derail but the Mail has a genuine split personality - it's a bile-filled, hateful, untrustworthy filth rag that does highly effective investigative and campaigning journalism. This might be why politicians are so in thrall with it - the Mail can and does chop politicians down to size.

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Post by Lew Dolby » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:13 pm

and the Fail will campaign on two diametrically opposed topics at the same time.

A few years back, they campaigned against the UK gov offering meds to young women against HPV. At the same time, the edition on sale in Ireland was campaigning against the Irish gov for not offering the same. Prob thought no one would notice.
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Post by jdc » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:07 pm

Lew Dolby wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:13 pm
and the Fail will campaign on two diametrically opposed topics at the same time.

A few years back, they campaigned against the UK gov offering meds to young women against HPV. At the same time, the edition on sale in Ireland was campaigning against the Irish gov for not offering the same. Prob thought no one would notice.
Pah, that just demonstrates that the various editors employed by Rothermere have independence. Same as when the MoS under Greig came out for Remain while Dacre was backing Leave.

(Here's one that was new to me in the Dacre vs Greig wars: after moving to the DM, Greig "decided to launch a prominent campaign encouraging readers to ensure that their children were inoculated with MMR vaccine. He also publicly apologised for the newspaper’s historical role in spreading fears about the vaccine’s disproven links to autism during Dacre’s editorship." Their meetings must be fun to watch.)

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Post by jimbob » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm

jimbob wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm
Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?
How about "was (and still is)"?
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Post by Fishnut » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:34 am

jimbob wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm
Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?
I've been thinking the same thing
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Post by secret squirrel » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:36 am

To borrow a joke, 'the Met used to be institutionally corrupt. Still is, but it used to be too.'

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Post by jimbob » Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:24 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm
jimbob wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm
Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?
How about "was (and still is)"?
Works for me
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Post by Woodchopper » Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 am

jimbob wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:24 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm
jimbob wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm
Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?
How about "was (and still is)"?
Works for me
OK, thread title renamed.

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Re: Met Police was (and still is) institutionally corrupt

Post by jimbob » Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:42 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 am
jimbob wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:24 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm


How about "was (and still is)"?
Works for me
OK, thread title renamed.
Thanks
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Post by Allo V Psycho » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:06 pm

Good podcast from David Allen Green on the report, FT but not pay-walled, and he says that the more listeners, the more likely he will be able to do more!

https://www.ft.com/video/83bbc06b-ac21- ... 18d565c1c0

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Post by Gfamily » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:52 pm

Another instance of it being rotten to the core.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... y-language
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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:25 pm

Was about to post the same thing. Absolutely disgusting.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:39 pm

They really hate people knowing their rights, don't they?

Give a kid some advice and they'll snatch you off the street and assault you, then lie about it for 8 years.
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Post by jimbob » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:40 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:25 pm
Was about to post the same thing. Absolutely disgusting.
Likewise
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Post by FlammableFlower » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:06 pm

That is sickening.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:15 pm

"Inadequate training" to blame for undercover cop raping 10 women, say Met.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-60132610
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Post by Fishnut » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:48 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:15 pm
"Inadequate training" to blame for undercover cop raping 10 women, say Met.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-60132610
The NPCC said there had been "significant" changes to undercover policing since the case came to light.
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Post by JQH » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:46 am

I very much doubt it.
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Post by Sciolus » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:23 am

Yeah, but look as all those dangerous criminals they've put away and those violent schemes they've thwarted. There's... there's... er... well, there was that prosecution that collapsed because all the evidence was from police spies. I'm sure plod weren't just completely wasting their time on getting laid a bunch of harmless protesters when there's so much serious crime they could have been tackling.

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Post by egbert26 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:00 pm

I don't know if this is corruption or just general incompetence, but the scale of the abuse enabled by the Met does not bear thinking about:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60512439
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