Scrutable

Boustrophedon wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pm

How would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.

Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?

You could fire leadership, reshuffle teams and go for mass re-training combined with strict discipline.

I'm pretty sure the current government is more than happy to have squadrons of unaccountable thugs on call in London though, even if they do line their own pockets a bit as well as beating the sh.t out of protestors etc.

Boustrophedon wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 pm

How would you go about mending the Met? I can't see that you could close it down and start again, you could never fire that many officers, the police unions would never allow it and there would have to be some sort of continuity to allow policing to continue.

Is it a small number of "rotten apples" with the rest being honest cops trying to hold it together or is there a systematic criminality running through the length and breadth of the force?

Police Unions aren't a thing in the UK. Their interests are represented by the Police Federations. They're basically a union, but explicitly aren't. A lot of it is based on everyone acting on good faith, including them being apolitical, in place of Police being allowed to strike. Ultimately, they don't carry as much clout as the Police Unions in the US. They were set up like this after police strikes just after WW1, as a way to curtail their power.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:58 pm

I think they also like to promote the line that everything is terrible and untrustworthy and corrupt (except the Mail themselves, of course). People buy into right-wing shite more if they're afraid and distrustful, so purveyors of right-wing shite need to maximise the number of things their customers fear and distrust.

This job is made easier by the fact that everything is terrible and untrustworthy.

plodder wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:44 am

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:58 pm

I think they also like to promote the line that everything is terrible and untrustworthy and corrupt (except the Mail themselves, of course). People buy into right-wing shite more if they're afraid and distrustful, so purveyors of right-wing shite need to maximise the number of things their customers fear and distrust.

This job is made easier by the fact that everything is terrible and untrustworthy.

Totes - but they are too Occasionally they are on the side of reality, but only in a "stopped clock" kind of way.

Don't want to derail but the Mail has a genuine split personality - it's a bile-filled, hateful, untrustworthy filth rag that does highly effective investigative and campaigning journalism. This might be why politicians are so in thrall with it - the Mail can and does chop politicians down to size.

What's the fun in owning a newspaper otherwise?

and the Fail will campaign on two diametrically opposed topics at the same time.

A few years back, they campaigned against the UK gov offering meds to young women against HPV. At the same time, the edition on sale in Ireland was campaigning against the Irish gov for not offering the same. Prob thought no one would notice.

Lew Dolby wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:13 pm

and the Fail will campaign on two diametrically opposed topics at the same time.

A few years back, they campaigned against the UK gov offering meds to young women against HPV. At the same time, the edition on sale in Ireland was campaigning against the Irish gov for not offering the same. Prob thought no one would notice.

Pah, that just demonstrates that the various editors employed by Rothermere have independence. Same as when the MoS under Greig came out for Remain while Dacre was backing Leave.

(Here's one that was new to me in the Dacre vs Greig wars: after moving to the DM, Greig "decided to launch a prominent campaign encouraging readers to ensure that their children were inoculated with MMR vaccine. He also publicly apologised for the newspaper’s historical role in spreading fears about the vaccine’s disproven links to autism during Dacre’s editorship." Their meetings must be fun to watch.)

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?

jimbob wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?

How about "was (and still is)"?

jimbob wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?

I've been thinking the same thing

To borrow a joke, 'the Met used to be institutionally corrupt. Still is, but it used to be too.'

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?

How about "was (and still is)"?

Works for me

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:24 am

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pm

Would it make sense for a mod to change the title from 'was' to 'is' ?

How about "was (and still is)"?

Works for me

OK, thread title renamed.

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 am

jimbob wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:24 am

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:23 pm

How about "was (and still is)"?

Works for me

OK, thread title renamed.

Thanks

Good podcast from David Allen Green on the report, FT but not pay-walled, and he says that the more listeners, the more likely he will be able to do more!

https://www.ft.com/video/83bbc06b-ac21- ... 18d565c1c0

Another instance of it being rotten to the core.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... y-language

Was about to post the same thing. Absolutely disgusting.

They really hate people knowing their rights, don't they?

Give a kid some advice and they'll snatch you off the street and assault you, then lie about it for 8 years.

El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:25 pm

Was about to post the same thing. Absolutely disgusting.

Likewise

That is sickening.

"Inadequate training" to blame for undercover cop raping 10 women, say Met.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-60132610

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:15 pm

"Inadequate training" to blame for undercover cop raping 10 women, say Met.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-60132610

The NPCC said there had been "significant" changes to undercover policing since the case came to light.

Have they stopped spying on social and environmental groups?

I very much doubt it.

Yeah, but look as all those dangerous criminals they've put away and those violent schemes they've thwarted. There's... there's... er... well, there was that prosecution that collapsed because all the evidence was from police spies. I'm sure plod weren't just completely wasting their time on getting laid a bunch of harmless protesters when there's so much serious crime they could have been tackling.

I don't know if this is corruption or just general incompetence, but the scale of the abuse enabled by the Met does not bear thinking about:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60512439