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Twunt.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:36 pmIt looks like Galloway is scraping the barrel in the Batley and Spen campaign.
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Did Starmer really get started? At least he'd now have a beginning.
+1nezumi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:03 pmTwunt.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:36 pmIt looks like Galloway is scraping the barrel in the Batley and Spen campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ion-claims
Twitter quote - everybody who was calling for starmer to resign when he loses this, should now be resigning themselves.monkey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:21 pmDid Starmer really get started? At least he'd now have a beginning.
+1nezumi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:03 pmTwunt.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:36 pmIt looks like Galloway is scraping the barrel in the Batley and Spen campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ion-claims
Well if they'd prefer the Tories they can always vote for them instead.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:50 amMaybe worth a separate thread....
But people calling for a progressive alliance should probably first check that those who vote for parties other than the Tories are actually anti-Tories who also want a Labour Prime Minister and a Labour majority or Labour dominated coalition government.
Its not obvious to me that is the picture of enough voters. Historically, a lot of the Liberal vote came from people who's second choice was the Tories. Labour and the Liberals are unionist parties and so some Welsh and Scottish nationalists may not want to vote for them. Labour and the Liberals are also committed to economic growth, which may be a problem to some Green voters.
My point was just that people who vote for non-Tories don't necessarily have anything else in common, and some may prefer a Tory Prime Minister to a Labour Prime Minister.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:17 amWell if they'd prefer the Tories they can always vote for them instead.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:50 amMaybe worth a separate thread....
But people calling for a progressive alliance should probably first check that those who vote for parties other than the Tories are actually anti-Tories who also want a Labour Prime Minister and a Labour majority or Labour dominated coalition government.
Its not obvious to me that is the picture of enough voters. Historically, a lot of the Liberal vote came from people who's second choice was the Tories. Labour and the Liberals are unionist parties and so some Welsh and Scottish nationalists may not want to vote for them. Labour and the Liberals are also committed to economic growth, which may be a problem to some Green voters.
People who want non-Tories seem unlikely to get the result they want without teamwork.
I don't know whether Galloway split the Left vote, or picked up the type who left Labour in Hartlepool to go to the Conservatives: given his penchant for immigrant-bashing, lowest-common-denominator, dog-whistle nastiness, I'd say there's an argument to be made that he kept the seat Labour.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:21 amDon't know much about the Workers party, who seem to have done well despite(?) Galloway. Splitting the left vote nearly led to a Tory win.
Indeed. He also ran some pretty abhorrent homophobic stuff too, which seem to fall right into the Tories' wheelhouse.philbo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:57 amI don't know whether Galloway split the Left vote, or picked up the type who left Labour in Hartlepool to go to the Conservatives: given his penchant for immigrant-bashing, lowest-common-denominator, dog-whistle nastiness, I'd say there's an argument to be made that he kept the seat Labour.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:21 amDon't know much about the Workers party, who seem to have done well despite(?) Galloway. Splitting the left vote nearly led to a Tory win.
Workers Party of Britain is a Galloway vehicle. He is the leader. Apparently one of 3 parties he leads.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:21 amDon't know much about the Workers party, who seem to have done well despite(?) Galloway. Splitting the left vote nearly led to a Tory win.
I never called for him to resign. I was only skeptical he cold hold on to his job if Labour lost this seat. Mostly I want him to start telling people what Labour's policies are and how they're going to help people. Labour got lucky with this one, it seems that their get the votes out game was just good enough, but they still need more.science_fox wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:09 amTwitter quote - everybody who was calling for starmer to resign when he loses this, should now be resigning themselves.
I'd be a natural Starmer-ite as I thought when he first started that he was just what the Labour party needed. He clearly isn't though. What Labour actually need is someone who looks like a normal person who cares about normal people things and lives somewhere outside London, while still being extremely clever, an excellent strategist and with the courage of their convictions. Won't be holding my breath.monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:47 pm
I never called for him to resign. I was only skeptical he cold hold on to his job if Labour lost this seat. Mostly I want him to start telling people what Labour's policies are and how they're going to help people. Labour got lucky with this one, it seems that their get the votes out game was just good enough, but they still need more.
It's OK. Andy Burnham has already told us he is willing to come back to parliament so he can become leader and lead Labour to glory.nezumi wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:02 pmWhat Labour actually need is someone who looks like a normal person who cares about normal people things and lives somewhere outside London, while still being extremely clever, an excellent strategist and with the courage of their convictions. Won't be holding my breath.