What Labour actually need is someone who looks like a normal person who cares about normal people things and lives somewhere outside London, while still being extremely clever, an excellent strategist and with the courage of their convictions. Won't be holding my breath.
It's OK. Andy Burnham has already told us he is willing to come back to parliament so he can become leader and lead Labour to glory.
I'd certainly vote for him, even now my alliegances have changed - I've decided that if you ask for the moon you might get an inch so I'm going Northern Independence because I want a federal Britain with PR
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
He understands the relevant cultural issues and is vocally anti Israel. Plus he is a weapons grade rhetorician / troll.
My sister once had to step in for the LD candidate and debate with him at a hustings with ten minutes' notice. I wish I had been there, she's very good when she gets the right sort of angry.. but he doesn't debate fair: one of the best exponents of the complete and utter falsehood expressed with absolute conviction that there is, and there are only so many times one can be polite about saying "that's not true"
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
there are only so many times one can be polite about saying "that's not true"
Perhaps under those circumstances it is not strictly necessary to be polite about it?
It's an intentional tactic, to goad ones debate opponent into anger, then point and say "they used bad language, so have lost the argument". Galloway is very good at pushing those sorts of buttons
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
there are only so many times one can be polite about saying "that's not true"
Perhaps under those circumstances it is not strictly necessary to be polite about it?
It's an intentional tactic, to goad ones debate opponent into anger, then point and say "they used bad language, so have lost the argument". Galloway is very good at pushing those sorts of buttons
Pigeon chess, innit.
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
Perhaps under those circumstances it is not strictly necessary to be polite about it?
It's an intentional tactic, to goad ones debate opponent into anger, then point and say "they used bad language, so have lost the argument". Galloway is very good at pushing those sorts of buttons
Pigeon chess, innit.
No, he's cleverer than that, and does it knowingly (IMHO). That's not pigeon chess (unlike Trump.. here's one I prepared earlier... Spoiler:
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Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:25 pm
by monkey
So the difference is that Trump unknowingly acts like a pigeon, while Galloway knowingly acts like a pigeon.
Either way someone's acting like a pigeon.
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
there are only so many times one can be polite about saying "that's not true"
Perhaps under those circumstances it is not strictly necessary to be polite about it?
It's an intentional tactic, to goad ones debate opponent into anger, then point and say "they used bad language, so have lost the argument". Galloway is very good at pushing those sorts of buttons
spot on. he aims to destroy his opponents and he's very effective, hence his continued career despite lacking any sort of part infrastructure. He doesn't need it.
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
But people calling for a progressive alliance should probably first check that those who vote for parties other than the Tories are actually anti-Tories who also want a Labour Prime Minister and a Labour majority or Labour dominated coalition government.
If a voter wants a Labour PM or Labour majority and they don't vote for the Labour candidate, then in all but a few exceptional cases they're an idiot. If they want a Labour-dominated coalition then they should be voting for Labour or the intended coalition partner depending on the relative chances of the two being elected.
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
But people calling for a progressive alliance should probably first check that those who vote for parties other than the Tories are actually anti-Tories who also want a Labour Prime Minister and a Labour majority or Labour dominated coalition government.
If a voter wants a Labour PM or Labour majority and they don't vote for the Labour candidate, then in all but a few exceptional cases they're an idiot. If they want a Labour-dominated coalition then they should be voting for Labour or the intended coalition partner depending on the relative chances of the two being elected.
You're missing the point. It's not about people getting what they want, it's about people avoiding what they don't want.
Re: Usual midsession by-election beating, or signs of change?
You need to be *really* well-prepared against him, and in full possession of facts with the evidence to back it up: he is *so* good at stating complete lies with absolute conviction, unless you have hard evidence he comes off as more convincing in any "he said/(s)he said" back and forth. But in front of the Senate, he had the advantage that he didn't even have to lie, and they didn't have anything to accuse him of that people in the US government hadn't also been doing. IMO, he made them look very silly indeed.
