Angela Rayner

[plodder]

Toss up between her and Gove for the next PM I reckon.

[sheldrake]

Gove will have a ponytail and a sports car by then.

[noggins]

No, the rumours indicate different tastes.

[sheldrake]

No, the rumours indicate different tastes.

You can't just leave that dangling like that

[El Pollo Diablo]

No, the rumours indicate different tastes.

You can't just leave that dangling like that

Funnily enough, the rumours cover that issue as well

[Bird on a Fire]

I googled for Angela Rayner rumours, and there seems to be some suggestion she is or was shagging a married MP https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12898761/ ... arried-mp/

Sadly adding "dangling" to my search didn't turn up anything salacious, and I'm super curious.

[plodder]

Have you guys read up on her background? She’s done it the hard way. Class act.

[sheldrake]

She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.

[El Pollo Diablo]

I googled for Angela Rayner rumours, and there seems to be some suggestion she is or was shagging a married MP https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12898761/ ... arried-mp/

Sadly adding "dangling" to my search didn't turn up anything salacious, and I'm super curious.

We were talking about Michael Gove rumours, not Angela Rayner rumours.

[Bird on a Fire]

Not sure I dare Google that. Who knows what I'll find.

[IvanV]

Not sure I dare Google that. Who knows what I'll find.

His affair with Gina Coladangelo (is that the dang(e)l-ing referred) is now fact rather than rumour, and has resulted in divorce proceedings from his journalist gossipmonger wife of 20 years, Sarah Vine.

The unconfirmed rumours just look like stuff made up to discredit him. I don't know why they bothered, as he is quite good at doing that all on his ownsome. But who knows?

There's this very disreputable Spectator article "My husband's gay affair with Gove" by Mary Wakefield, who is Mrs Dominic Cummings. It was apparently rumoured in the very obscure Mail on Sunday, with suggestions it came from Gavin Williamson.

And this Popbitch article "Swing vote" discussing some equally tenuous evidence that Michael and his soon-to-be-ex-missus used to have swingers' parties, apparently coded by Liz Truss in an Instagram.

[Stephanie]

The dangling was a reference to some popbitch rumours about his cock.

[sheldrake]

I think you're confusing Matt Hancock with Gove on the affair with Gina?

[Stephanie]

yeah, that was Hancock

[Bird on a Fire]

The dangling was a reference to some popbitch rumours about his cock.

nice

[Grumble]

She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.

We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.

[sheldrake]

She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.

We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.

Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.

[monkey]

She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.

We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.

Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.

What Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.

[lpm]

She still should be fired for it, though.

It's like when we insult Sheldrake. It just allows him to focus on what awful people we are to insult him, instead of how sh.t his arguments are.

[sheldrake]

We could do with a few more politicians speaking their minds, I certainly agree with her and I think many people will. One of the reasons for Trump succeeding was that he wasn’t guarded in his language and people like that.

Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.

What Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.

Rayner hasn't a platform as leader of the country yet. I'd be very careful with people who say stuff like 'X class of people are scum'.

[monkey]

Some people do, but I think it can have terrible polarising effects when it comes across as blanket dehumanization of political opponents. We saw it with Trump in the US, and it can happen just as destructively from the left. I'd prefer a leader who unites people.

What Rayner did is worlds apart from what Trump did and continues to do. There's barely any comparison.

Rayner hasn't a platform as leader of the country yet. I'd be very careful with people who say stuff like 'X class of people are scum'.

She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

She shouldn't have said it, that's fair enough because it's not good politics, even if justified (see Hilary Clinton and her deplorables, which would be a better comparison). But the comparison to Trump is Bobbins.

She still should be fired for it, though.

That seems a bit harsh to me, but she can't be fired anyway, Deputy Leader is an elected position (see Tom Watson and Corbyn).

[sheldrake]

She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

She shouldn't have said it, that's fair enough because it's not good politics, even if justified (see Hilary Clinton and her deplorables, which would be a better comparison). But the comparison to Trump is Bobbins.

Presumably there were also journalists in attendance, and that is how we know.

I'm not convinced that it becomes any less worrying because she didn't realise we would find out.

[monkey]

She was speaking to small room of Labour activists. The only reason you heard about the meeting is because she said "scum". When Trump insults people, it's to Rallies of 1000s, in front of international media, with much of that guaranteed to give positive coverage. It's not the same at all. Did you hear her call Tories scum during her conference speech, or in PMQs the other day? No, because Trump is orders of magnitude worse.

She shouldn't have said it, that's fair enough because it's not good politics, even if justified (see Hilary Clinton and her deplorables, which would be a better comparison). But the comparison to Trump is Bobbins.

Presumably there were also journalists in attendance, and that is how we know.

I'm not convinced that it becomes any less worrying because she didn't realise we would find out.

It's less worrying because of the scale and context.

[plodder]

maybe she was talking about actual Tory Scum, you know, the proper noun ones.

[Cardinal Fang]

She's genuine working class, but shouty 'tory scum' rheotoric suggests her objectivity and restraint are roughly on the same level as Trump's, but in the opposite direction.

I might suggest it's a (good) way of securing extra Labour votes in Merseyside