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Brexit benefits

Post by Stephanie » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:21 pm

Are there any? Discuss here.
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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pm

We negotiated better contracts for vaccine delivery than the rest of the EU. I know we could hypothetically have not joined the EU vaccine purchasing programme without leaving the EU, but most EU nations didn't.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:25 pm

Tech startup investment in the UK has done really well since 2016, this is partly a result of our currency devaluation, and partly a result of long-term expectations around lower levels of red tape

https://www.verdict.co.uk/uk-tech-inves ... 20research.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by bjn » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:30 pm

Getting some French people to print us some nice shiny blue passports?

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Our immigration criteria are now more meritocratic rather than being skewed towards favouring European background regardless of qualifications.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:37 pm

Trade deals with Australia and Japan (lots of other deals came quicker than pessimissts expected, but they just rollover deals we had as part of the EU, the Aus and Japan deals go further than that).

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:38 pm

We would no longer have to worry about violating EU single market rules if we take steps to prevent tax arbitrage with states like Ireland or Luxembourg (Tories will likely never do this, but Labour could)

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:42 pm

James O'Brian, Michael Heseltine, Jon Bercow, Bob Geldof all outed as the deeply unpleasant loonies they are.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Trinucleus » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:46 pm

Being able to use GM or GE in food production.

Provided we don't want to export anything to the EU obvs

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:52 pm

Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:46 pm
Being able to use GM or GE in food production.

Provided we don't want to export anything to the EU obvs
We can use it for things that are going to be exported outside the EU. Most of our exports already go to non-EU countries, and it's also a faster growing segment.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by plodder » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:34 pm

Ditching CAP is the only one I can think of. The rest of it is trivial or worse than was there before.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Trinucleus » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:39 pm

sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:52 pm
Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:46 pm
Being able to use GM or GE in food production.

Provided we don't want to export anything to the EU obvs
We can use it for things that are going to be exported outside the EU. Most of our exports already go to non-EU countries, and it's also a faster growing segment.
Two of our top three food export markets are in the EU https://www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-ins ... tatistics/

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:45 pm

Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Two of our top three food export markets are in the EU https://www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-ins ... tatistics/
For now. The non-EU markets are growing faster and currently account for 47% of food & drink exports according to your source.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:42 pm

plodder wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:34 pm
Ditching CAP is the only one I can think of. The rest of it is trivial or worse than was there before.
Ditching CFP too.

There's certainly scope for improving on EU environmental standards in food production.
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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Trinucleus » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:43 pm

sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:45 pm
Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Two of our top three food export markets are in the EU https://www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-ins ... tatistics/
For now. The non-EU markets are growing faster and currently account for 47% of food & drink exports according to your source.
So losing major export markets, which are our closest neighbours, is a good thing....?

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Trinucleus » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:44 pm

sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:42 pm
James O'Brian, Michael Heseltine, Jon Bercow, Bob Geldof all outed as the deeply unpleasant loonies they are.
Laurence... Nigel..... oh, forget it. Life's too short

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by plodder » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:44 pm

sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:45 pm
Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Two of our top three food export markets are in the EU https://www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-ins ... tatistics/
For now. The non-EU markets are growing faster and currently account for 47% of food & drink exports according to your source.
well yes, clearly exports to the EU are going to be more difficult

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:47 pm

I think we might see improved salaries for "traditional working class" jobs. But we might not.

In general I'd say there are certainly opportunities - the EU is far from perfect. My only brexit-favouring friends are leftists from EU countries.

But I'm afraid to say the folks in charge don't fill me with confidence on that front. They seem to have quite nasty intentions, which are only partly mitigated by their incompetence.

So far I think the UK has seen only relatively minor inconveniences, and little improvement. I'd count the vaccine program as half a point - I think a less brexity government would've made a show of solidarity with the EU. Vaccine independence was a product of Brexit rhetoric. The UK could've unlocked even earlier.

So, much to play for.
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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:59 pm

plodder wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:44 pm


well yes, clearly exports to the EU are going to be more difficult
They were growing faster for years before we left. Part of the reason is that 'non-EU economic growth' is higher than 'EU economic growth', and has been for years.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:03 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:47 pm
I think we might see improved salaries for "traditional working class" jobs. But we might not.

In general I'd say there are certainly opportunities - the EU is far from perfect. My only brexit-favouring friends are leftists from EU countries.

But I'm afraid to say the folks in charge don't fill me with confidence on that front. They seem to have quite nasty intentions, which are only partly mitigated by their incompetence.

So far I think the UK has seen only relatively minor inconveniences, and little improvement. I'd count the vaccine program as half a point - I think a less brexity government would've made a show of solidarity with the EU. Vaccine independence was a product of Brexit rhetoric. The UK could've unlocked even earlier.

So, much to play for.
We're going to be outside of the EU for much longer than the term of this government. What do you want to use the political independence for that the Tories should but won't?

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:12 pm

Genuine payments for ecosystem services, to replace CAP.

Science led, conservation focused fisheries policy.

Early movement on carbon pricing with a border tax, built into all trade deals.

But take a look at what's happening with sewage in rivers and coasts right now to see what Tory-run environmental policy looks like when there's no longer a risk of enforcement by Brussels. I'll be very surprised to see standards catching up with science, rather than being weakened.

And all of those things would be great for the UK's domestic economy too, at least by the medium term.
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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:19 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:12 pm
Genuine payments for ecosystem services, to replace CAP.

Science led, conservation focused fisheries policy.

Early movement on carbon pricing with a border tax, built into all trade deals.

But take a look at what's happening with sewage in rivers and coasts right now to see what Tory-run environmental policy looks like when there's no longer a risk of enforcement by Brussels. I'll be very surprised to see standards catching up with science, rather than being weakened.

And all of those things would be great for the UK's domestic economy too, at least by the medium term.
People like you ought to be making Labour focus on these things instead of lamenting 2016

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:26 pm

sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:19 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:12 pm
Genuine payments for ecosystem services, to replace CAP.

Science led, conservation focused fisheries policy.

Early movement on carbon pricing with a border tax, built into all trade deals.

But take a look at what's happening with sewage in rivers and coasts right now to see what Tory-run environmental policy looks like when there's no longer a risk of enforcement by Brussels. I'll be very surprised to see standards catching up with science, rather than being weakened.

And all of those things would be great for the UK's domestic economy too, at least by the medium term.
People like you ought to be making Labour focus on these things instead of lamenting 2016
You're right, you know.

If I moved back to the UK I'd consider joining, but as a smug pre-Brexit expat I don't do much lamenting or politicking. I dabble in some Portuguese stuff but mostly just grumble online tbh.
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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by sheldrake » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:55 pm

Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:43 pm
sheldrake wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:45 pm
Trinucleus wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Two of our top three food export markets are in the EU https://www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-ins ... tatistics/
For now. The non-EU markets are growing faster and currently account for 47% of food & drink exports according to your source.
So losing major export markets, which are our closest neighbours, is a good thing....?
We still export to the EU, and our exports to the EU are higher now than they were in 2016, even whilst we're all still recovering from the economic effects of the pandemic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284 ... ade-value/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/national ... e/june2021

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sti ... 021-07-09/

This stuff tends not to be reported properly by the BBC, Guardian or Independent.

The predictions that most of the pundits in these media sources gave about what would happen to UK->EU trade was misleading both before we left and since.

How can this be? the extra administrative burdens are nowhere near as expensive or difficult as remain-media continue to claim they are, and are more than compensated for by normal economic growth and our 2016 currency devaluation. We are now also free to make trade deals with other, faster growing partners that we couldn't make whilst part of the EU.

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Re: Brexit benefits

Post by Boustrophedon » Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:26 pm

And in other news the sh.t Creek Paddle Company is doing really well.

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