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Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:07 am
by sheldrake
WFJ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:59 pm
false to say the UK has tested more.
The data source we're using says it has. Please present your alternative source.
The UK has never had a decent community testing system, and any claim that is based on the UK numbers being bumped up by self-administered LFR tests at home is meaningless.
I know the home-administered lateral flow tests are unreliable self-reported results, but I don't know how reliable the figures from the other countries reported are either. Do you have a data source for PCR testing?
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:21 am
by WFJ
sheldrake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:07 am
WFJ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:59 pm
false to say the UK has tested more.
The data source we're using says it has. Please present your alternative source.
The UK has never had a decent community testing system, and any claim that is based on the UK numbers being bumped up by self-administered LFR tests at home is meaningless.
I know the home-administered lateral flow tests are unreliable self-reported results, but I don't know how reliable the figures from the other countries reported are either. Do you have a data source for PCR testing?
I do not have other sources. I am not saying your claim is wrong, just that the comparison is totally meaningless. You might be right, you might be wrong. I have no idea from this data, and neither do you.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:30 am
by Bird on a Fire
Hospitalisation data should be relatively impervious to testing variation, because hospital patients in all countries will have been tested.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:32 am
by Bird on a Fire
discovolante wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:23 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:36 pm
Yeah, I think increased retail footfall in the UK is probably more to do with the UK's lack of restrictions on retail - lots of other countries (both in and out of the EU) are still requiring masks to go shopping, for example. (I don't think anywhere needs a vaccine passport, though).
It's hard to be certain what's due to Toryism vs Brexit of course, but the UK has always been running hot, with fewer restrictions, than most neighbouring countries - even though the EU hasn't been imposing top-down restrictions on member states. And while the vaccines got off to a quick start, it soon floundered and the UK was overtaken by the EU months before October, so even if we accept for the sake of argument that the UK's faster initial rollout can be considered a "Brexit benefit", I think the national policy of lockdowniness vs hospitalisation rates etc. is more to due with the people in charge prioritising the economy over everything else.
You could probably test that fairly directly by measuring footfall in England compared to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, because I think England may be the only country in the UK not to have mandatory face coverings (based on a quick check of government websites) and thus is the only one making a massive f.cking hoo ha over reintroducing them, or not as the case may be.
(Although to be fair I don't think Scotland at least is faring better than England anyway, but I just wanted to be stroppy about the massive pile of fuckwits in Westminster.)
A fair point - my perception is skewed towards England.
That said, I'd expect UK-gov pronouncements to have some influence everywhere, and they've very much been pushing the "nothing to worry about" line.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:46 pm
by plodder
yes but what the f.ck has this to do with brexit? take it to the covid bunker.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:42 pm
by Trinucleus
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:46 pm
yes but what the f.ck has this to do with brexit? take it to the covid bunker.
Can't think of anything else to put on this thread
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:59 pm
by sheldrake
Trinucleus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:42 pm
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:46 pm
yes but what the f.ck has this to do with brexit? take it to the covid bunker.
Can't think of anything else to put on this thread
You can just not post when you aren't adding on topic material to a thread, you know.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:03 pm
by Trinucleus
sheldrake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:59 pm
Trinucleus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:42 pm
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:46 pm
yes but what the f.ck has this to do with brexit? take it to the covid bunker.
Can't think of anything else to put on this thread
You can just not post when you aren't adding on topic material to a thread, you know.
Can't I?
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:50 pm
by sheldrake
Yes you can't.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:20 am
by plodder
So I guess this is both an example of Britain using soft power to leverage and negotiate favourable terms with individual EU states, and another example where EU states actually have more control over things like immigration than we were led to believe.
Not a benefit because we’re not back to where we were, but a step back to parity in a small and specific area.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -musicians
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm
by plodder
Let's play Guess Who:
“I think in aggregate, the trade links with Great Britain and Northern Ireland are about three times as big as those with Ireland and the single market. So in aggregate those links in Great Britain are incredibly important. So it’s those [links] that are being sort of worn away by the way the protocol is working, and that’s why it’s so important to deal with them
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:59 pm
by sheldrake
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Let's play Guess Who:
“I think in aggregate, the trade links with Great Britain and Northern Ireland are about three times as big as those with Ireland and the single market. So in aggregate those links in Great Britain are incredibly important. So it’s those [links] that are being sort of worn away by the way the protocol is working, and that’s why it’s so important to deal with them
not a brexit benefit
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:27 pm
by plodder
sheldrake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:59 pm
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Let's play Guess Who:
“I think in aggregate, the trade links with Great Britain and Northern Ireland are about three times as big as those with Ireland and the single market. So in aggregate those links in Great Britain are incredibly important. So it’s those [links] that are being sort of worn away by the way the protocol is working, and that’s why it’s so important to deal with them
not a brexit benefit
Yes it is. If you identify the speaker you'll understand trade from NI is up.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:55 pm
by sheldrake
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:27 pm
sheldrake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:59 pm
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Let's play Guess Who:
not a brexit benefit
Yes it is. If you identify the speaker you'll understand trade from NI is up.
Oh it's a puzzle game.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:53 pm
by plodder
Give up? It's David Frost talking about the deal he proposed and negotiated and got the PM to sign. Trade is up between NI and Eire as a result. Good news, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ter-brexit
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:06 pm
by shpalman
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:03 pm
by sheldrake
This isnt good news either. Clear breach of ‘arguing in bad faith’ rule
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:12 pm
by plodder
good news for hams, chickens and mushrooms across the UK. Not to mention contributors towards mystery meat.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:16 pm
by sheldrake
Temp bans for plodder and shpalman pls.
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:57 pm
by Bird on a Fire
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Let's play Guess Who:
Ok. Are they wearing a hat?
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:01 am
by Bird on a Fire
sheldrake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:03 pm
This isnt good news either. Clear breach of ‘arguing in bad faith’ rule
Not sure what the other mods think, but I think there is a difference between naked sarcasm and arguing in bad faith.
shpalman is clearly doing the latter, as Wiley already ate all the pies
https://youtu.be/5XuADITYC2E
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:09 am
by sheldrake
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:01 am
Not sure what the other mods think, but I think there is a difference between naked sarcasm and arguing in bad faith.
frustrated remainers sh.tting up a thread on brexit benefits with tongue-in-cheek posts about stuff that aren't brexit benefits is trite, off topic and boring. they've already been asked not to do it and had posts moved
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:36 am
by sheldrake
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:33 am
True, not after 3°C worth of sea-level rise
Can you please clean up the off-topic non-benefit posts now ?
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:46 pm
by Stephanie
Okay, I have, I think moved the posts where sheldrake would introduce a brexit benefit, and then folk would discuss/argue. Might as well leave this here for people who want to post sarcastic stuff, make posts referencing innovative jam or sunlit uplands, or maybe benefits to other countries. Get it all out here, then leave the other thread for more serious discussion ok?
ETA: Adding thread link
Re: Brexit benefits
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:08 pm
by shpalman
