US Election 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:19 pm
Might as well start discussing this now - the US election process does take up most of each democratic cycle after all.
OK, exile then.
Hopefully later. 2028 will either be against the last vestiges of Trumpism, or against the first reasonable* Republican candidate of the post Trumpism era. A far less divisive candidate would have a better chance in both cases.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:47 pmI'm wondering if AOC will make her first run for the Democratic nomination in 2024, or leave it for later.
It will be Biden, unless something happens to him. There will be no serious challenges.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:47 pmI'm wondering if AOC will make her first run for the Democratic nomination in 2024, or leave it for later.
It's not all about winning, though. Sanders et al successfully changed the debate, and his popularity with under-40s was probably a factor in Biden's last-minute adoption of some climate policies.monkey wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:19 pmWe've got mid terms to get through first.
It will be Biden, unless something happens to him. There will be no serious challenges.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:47 pmI'm wondering if AOC will make her first run for the Democratic nomination in 2024, or leave it for later.
I agree that it's important that Left and Left leaning voices get heard. It's just I think it's very unlikely that AOC will decide that running against an incumbent president who is already listening to them is a good way to do it.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:59 pmIt's not all about winning, though. Sanders et al successfully changed the debate, and his popularity with under-40s was probably a factor in Biden's last-minute adoption of some climate policies.monkey wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:19 pmWe've got mid terms to get through first.
It will be Biden, unless something happens to him. There will be no serious challenges.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:47 pmI'm wondering if AOC will make her first run for the Democratic nomination in 2024, or leave it for later.
Just because the old white men generally have the game sewn up doesn't mean that other voices can't make useful contributions to shaping policy, and there seems to be a pretty significant generation split that AOC et al understand quite well.
Realistically, any candidate for President needs some experience of elected executive office. Even Sanders has that, as mayor of Burlington. Trump obviously didn't, and failed at some of the things he tried to do because of that.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:16 pmGood time to do a practice run, I'd say.
With the obvious caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about
Here's a list - wiki clickydyqik wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:55 pmRealistically, any candidate for President needs some experience of elected executive office. Even Sanders has that, as mayor of Burlington. Trump obviously didn't, and failed at some of the things he tried to do because of that.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:16 pmGood time to do a practice run, I'd say.
With the obvious caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about
Remember, the president is not a legislator, and they do not have the power to change the law, or even to introduce laws (unlike the Prime Minister).
Yeah, Obama is one with no previous executive position, and Kennedy was the one before that. You could suggest that both had some issues early on where previous executive experience might have been helpful (Bay of Pigs, for example).monkey wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:12 pmHere's a list - wiki clickydyqik wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:55 pmRealistically, any candidate for President needs some experience of elected executive office. Even Sanders has that, as mayor of Burlington. Trump obviously didn't, and failed at some of the things he tried to do because of that.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:16 pmGood time to do a practice run, I'd say.
With the obvious caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about
Remember, the president is not a legislator, and they do not have the power to change the law, or even to introduce laws (unlike the Prime Minister).
Seems from the last 50 years or so, being Veep or State Governor is your best bet. Only one President ever has gone from Representative to President (Garfield). There are a few Senators on the list, the most recent being Obama.
I wonder how much of that is a recognition thing though? AOC has plenty of that - she even has the three letter name. Governors, Senators and Veeps are a lot more prominent positions than Member of Congress.