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Owen Paterson
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:11 am
by Stranger Mouse
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other
Paterson is actually trying to blame the investigation for his wife taking her own life which is staggering.
I note the Telegraph headline is that another pro Brexit MP is a victim of a flawed and unjust system but I’m afraid I was laughing so much I didn’t read beyond that.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:50 am
by bjn
He gets a 30 day holiday. Such a harsh punishment.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:12 pm
by Lew Dolby
He is, FSM help us, our MP. He is and always has been a complete waste of oxygen. Spends more time with his right-wing mates in the US than in the constituency.
And he runs questionable funding through his "think tank" so the funders aren't declared to Parliament. Could be any foreign criminals you care to name.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:00 pm
by jdc
Lew Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:12 pm
He is, FSM help us, our MP. He is and always has been a complete waste of oxygen. Spends more time with his right-wing mates in the US than in the constituency.
And he runs questionable funding through his "think tank" so the funders aren't declared to Parliament. Could be any foreign criminals you care to name.
you can organise a recall vote now though. Good luck.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:02 am
by Tessa K
bjn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:50 am
He gets a 30 day holiday. Such a harsh punishment.
With or without pay, I wonder.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:10 am
by plodder
Tessa K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:02 am
bjn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:50 am
He gets a 30 day holiday. Such a harsh punishment.
With or without pay, I wonder.
pay from who?
I’d imagine his sidelines will keep ticking over nicely. Guys like him aren’t bothered about the £60k salary or whatever it is.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:18 am
by Tessa K
plodder wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:10 am
Tessa K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:02 am
bjn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:50 am
He gets a 30 day holiday. Such a harsh punishment.
With or without pay, I wonder.
pay from who?
I’d imagine his sidelines will keep ticking over nicely. Guys like him aren’t bothered about the £60k salary or whatever it is.
I meant his actual MP salary. As you point out, it's not his sole source of income but there would be a symbolic effect as suspension without pay is generally considered more serious.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:21 am
by Lew Dolby
jdc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:00 pm
you can organise a recall vote now though. Good luck.
Unfortunately, it's not up to the individual constituent. He has to be suspended (this is probs why he's fighting suspension) and parliament appoints a petitions officer (usually the returning officer in the constit) who organises places to sign for a six week period. If it reaches 10% of voters, he loses the seat and there's a by-election.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:08 pm
by Lew Dolby
Pro-corruption party votes to protect rule-breaker.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sleaze-row
Who'd a'thunk it ??!!???
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
by Troubled Joe
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:13 pm
by Stranger Mouse
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
Because they aren’t even bothering to hide it anymore? Which makes you wonder what they ARE hiding
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:52 pm
by monkey
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
Because other people aren't as annoyed as they should be?
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:52 pm
by sheldrake
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
Because it's not that long ago that people who did things like this would firstly go through a phase of pretending they hadn't, and then slink away to a directorship of a chain of gardening centres, or become a UKIP candidate. There was at least some furtive sense of having being caught doing something shameful and bad even though we all knew they were only sorry about being caught.
Paterson has taken things into a new phase by openly saying he was completely unashamed and would do it all over again.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:54 am
by Grumble
The conservatives have seen the success of Trump in being completely brazen about bad behaviour and think it will work for them too.
I’m glad to say my Tory MP voted against the government.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 am
by Little waster
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
What annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
You could have sort of understood it if it was a near-hung Parliament and the loss of Paterson meant a temporary loss of majority or awkward by-election threatening to bring down the Government. But it isn’t.
Even in the worst case scenarios the Tories would still have a massive majority and would be probable favourites to win the by-election anyway so they could, for once, have taken the moral high ground and made an example of Paterson but they just can’t help themselves.
I only hope the realisation the Tories are a bunch of amoral, corrupt, venal c.nts might sink in beyond the converted but as the crumbling of the Red Wall proves we live in absurd times.
I fully expect Johnson’s popularity to rise because of this and new polling to show Johnson individually and the Tories in general now enjoy a 50 percentile point lead over Labour on the question “
who do you most trust not to change the law to get their crooked mates out of the sh.t even when their name rhymes with Schmowen Schmaterson”*.
*A question Labour traditionally has held a small but stable lead on since the question began being routinely asked after the famous 1964 scandal involving disgraced Tory backbencher Rowan Hatterson.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:21 am
by Troubled Joe
Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 am
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:55 pm
I don't know why this bothers me as much as it does.
Its nothing I didn't know already.
It's nothing I didn't expect.
I know that the people of this country and the rules by which they should be governed are held in contempt by those who should uphold them.
There's nothing new here.
Why has it annoyed me so much?
What annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
You could have sort of understood it if it was a near-hung Parliament and the loss of Paterson meant a temporary loss of majority or awkward by-election threatening to bring down the Government. But it isn’t.
Even in the worst case scenarios the Tories would still have a massive majority and would be probable favourites to win the by-election anyway so they could, for once, have taken the moral high ground and made an example of Paterson but they just can’t help themselves.
I only hope the realisation the Tories are a bunch of amoral, corrupt, venal c.nts might sink in beyond the converted but as the crumbling of the Red Wall proves we live in absurd times.
I fully expect Johnson’s popularity to rise because of this and new polling to show Johnson individually and the Tories in general now enjoy a 50 percentile point lead over Labour on the question “
who do you most trust not to change the law to get their crooked mates out of the sh.t even when their name rhymes with Schmowen Schmaterson”*.
*A question Labour traditionally has held a small but stable lead on since the question began being routinely asked after the famous 1964 scandal involving disgraced Tory backbencher Rowan Hatterson.
It might just be the cumulative effect/tipping point. The rules for isolating don’t apply to Johnson or Sunak. The rules on bullying don’t apply to Patel. The rules on COVID don’t apply to Cummings; it’s only natural that the rules on lobbying don’t apply to Patterson.
Edit: oh, and wallpapering his f.cking flat too.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:29 am
by Gfamily
Typical poisonous approach by the Daily Hate - attacking 'a venal political class' and not the venal political party,
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:35 am
by purplehaze
Agree Gfamily
It's Tory MPs - not all, 18 did the decent thing (for once).
There is a distinction.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:41 am
by PeteB
Isn't it just a display of naked power "We can do anything we want and you can't do anything about it" - designed to demoralise / daunt their political / legal / press opponents
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:42 am
by WFJ
Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:29 am
Typical poisonous approach by the Daily Hate - attacking 'a venal political class' and not the venal political party,
While I agree with what you say, the Daily Mail not taking the Tory line on this is the one heartening thing I have seen.
The Torygraph have it as a smaller front page story written from the viewpoint of the crook, and the Sun and Express have ignored it.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:44 am
by Gfamily
No, the Mail is making it worse, by playing the 'they're all as bad as each other' card. It's fundamentally anti-democratic
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:18 am
by Troubled Joe
Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:44 am
WFJ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:42 am
Gfamily wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:29 am
Typical poisonous approach by the Daily Hate - attacking 'a venal political class' and not the venal political party,
Yes and no - anything like this will reflect worse on the party in power than the opposition; it’s obviously disingenuous in the extreme but better than ignoring it or going the “Hero MP escapes socialist kangaroo court stitch up” route
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:22 am
by Troubled Joe
Not sure my reply isn’t showing there but here we go….
Yes and no - anything like this will reflect worse on the party in power than the opposition; it’s obviously disingenuous in the extreme but better than ignoring it or going the “Hero MP escapes socialist kangaroo court stitch up” route
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:37 am
by TimW
Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:47 am
What annoys me is it such a sh.t hill for the Tories to choose to die on.
It could even make you think that some of them must need the system trashed quick before it's their turn.
Re: Owen Paterson
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:42 am
by Gfamily
Troubled Joe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:22 am
Not sure my reply isn’t showing there but here we go….
Yes and no - anything like this will reflect worse on the party in power than the opposition; it’s obviously disingenuous in the extreme but better than ignoring it or going the “Hero MP escapes socialist kangaroo court stitch up” route
You'd responded inside WFJ's quote.
My point is that for a paper to align itself with a party is a feature of our press, and that's up to them - but for a paper to align with a point of view that parliamentary democracy is the problem, then that is seriously dangerous.