Owen Paterson

[jimbob]

I thought that, but then why u-turn ?

Maybe they fear the Trump-ish "it doesn' matter what I do my supporters will still vote for me" effect doesn't operate quite as strongly as for Johnson as for Trump.

I think it's this - core Tory vote is the Home Counties. Core Trump vote is rural poor. Very different demographics.

Johnson is trying a populist pivot to the Red Wall. I can see some other party (probably the Lib Dems) starting to be the Home Counties core constituency. The Tories are not exactly the party of business anymore, for example.

[Fishnut]

I thought that, but then why u-turn ?

Maybe they fear the Trump-ish "it doesn' matter what I do my supporters will still vote for me" effect doesn't operate quite as strongly as for Johnson as for Trump.

I think it's this - core Tory vote is the Home Counties. Core Trump vote is rural poor. Very different demographics.

This has been repeatedly debunked. I'm on my phone so this is the best I can find that's not behind a paywall but there's plenty of articles out there.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... s-support/

[purplehaze]

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Warms hands via breath.

Oh how I laughed when reading this. Today, post the resignation. Both Johnson and Javid have twittered on about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899

It's regarding molnupiravir

[sheldrake]

I think it's this - core Tory vote is the Home Counties. Core Trump vote is rural poor. Very different demographics.

Most Tory voters are not wealthy (it's just not numerically possible to win an election just with votes from people in the top tax bracket). Working class Tories were always very much a thing. Traditionalists who like royalty and union jacks (my english grandmother). Self-employed people who want lower taxes etc..

Eta: this is the election result map for 1974, a year where Labour beat an incumbent Tory government. Labour support seems focussed around heavy industry.

[sheldrake]

This has been repeatedly debunked. I'm on my phone so this is the best I can find that's not behind a paywall but there's plenty of articles out there.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... s-support/

The median Trump voting household income is about in line with what I'd expect for 2 adults with full time, but working class, jobs in the US. The lower incomes for candidates on the left will be skewed by people from groups that have more minimum wage workers or unemployed, and college students. I don't think this data kills the idea that Trump support was significantly working class, but it was skewed towards european ancestry. He probably could've had a lot more hispanic voters if he hadn't insulted them, they've shown an interest in candidates who speak the language of conservative social values and economic aspiration in the past as long as they're not racist toward them.

From https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... ted-voters

[plodder]

Good to see the home counties painted in bright red on that (and every other) electoral map...

[sheldrake]

Good to see the home counties painted in bright red on that (and every other) electoral map...

People in Surrey vote Tory, but so do people in Norfolk and Somerset and Pembrokeshire and swathes of the Midlands etc..

[OffTheRock]

Patterson resigning doesn’t really change the underlying issue much, does it? It might work to take the heat off from the media but we’re still going to be swapping an independent commission for a Tory majority one so they can investigate themselves.

[Troubled Joe]

Patterson resigning doesn’t really change the underlying issue much, does it? It might work to take the heat off from the media but we’re still going to be swapping an independent commission for a Tory majority one so they can investigate themselves.

I suspect (hope?) they’ll find that significantly more difficult to push through now

[Grumble]

Patterson resigning doesn’t really change the underlying issue much, does it? It might work to take the heat off from the media but we’re still going to be swapping an independent commission for a Tory majority one so they can investigate themselves.

The reason the government backed down was that they realised they couldn’t get that through.

[Little waster]

Meanwhile we have chin-stroking articles in the Gradgrind about whether this scandal might tarnish Boris Johnson’s reputation for honesty and paint him out to be just another corrupt member of the establishment and how this might go down with the 2019 Tory-switchers who are apparently down on this sort of thing.

Boris, Johnson. Yes, that one. Boris Johnson. Him.

Absurd times breeds absurd commentary.

[FlammableFlower]

Looks likes there's quite a web of links between Paterson, Randox and others in the Tory party... I wonder who else can get drawn in...

[Little waster]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... d-22102142

Presumably he couldn’t find a fridge to hide in.

Although I am disappointed that he chose to go to Hexham as this would have been the perfect opportunity to swing by Barnard Castle and make his contempt undeniably clear.

[Trinucleus]

Very dissapointed that no one stopped him coming in without a mask

[tenchboy]

Looks likes there's quite a web of links between Paterson, Randox and others in the Tory party... I wonder who else can get drawn in...

Is this what you had in mind?
(Apols if I'm late to the party)

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[veravista]

Mere coincidence surely.

[FlammableFlower]

Looks likes there's quite a web of links between Paterson, Randox and others in the Tory party... I wonder who else can get drawn in...

Is this what you had in mind?
(Apols if I'm late to the party)
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Yep, that'd be it.

[Little waster]

Chope does his thing.

In the Express he’s arguing that this was actually a highly-principled stand for Free-Dommes and Demonocracy.

It’s peculiar how his apparent determination to die on the hill of due process and parliamentary democracy wanes and waxes so much.

For those keeping count he’s taken “highly-principled stands” against:-

The protection of 3rd World countries from vulture funds
The pardoning of Alan Turing
The banning of circus animals
The banning of revenge evictions
The limiting of hospital parking charges for careers
The banning of upskirting
The oversight of the use of force in mental health units
Better protection for police dogs and horses.
The use of the Houses of Parliament during recess for a Women’s Suffrage Conference
Increased protection of girls at risk of FGM.

And now it’s corrupt MPs he’s standing up for (you would be a fool and a communist to suggest this might have anything to do with his own dubious actions as an MP).

Yet this principled stand against Private Members Bills can suddenly evaporate when it comes to himself and his own pet causes, as an example he tabled 41 PMBs in a single session in 2020 covering such vital issues a banning the teaching of climate change, banning the TV Licence, selling vapes to children and killing bats.

There’s a common theme here I can’t quite put my finger on.

[Troubled Joe]

Chope does his thing.

In the Express he’s arguing that this was actually a highly-principled stand for Free-Dommes and Demonocracy.

It’s peculiar how his apparent determination to die on the hill of due process and parliamentary democracy wanes and waxes so much.

For those keeping count he’s taken “highly-principled stands” against:-

The protection of 3rd World countries from vulture funds
The pardoning of Alan Turing
The banning of circus animals
The banning of revenge evictions
The limiting of hospital parking charges for careers
The banning of upskirting
The oversight of the use of force in mental health units
Better protection for police dogs and horses.
The use of the Houses of Parliament during recess for a Women’s Suffrage Conference
Increased protection of girls at risk of FGM.

And now it’s corrupt MPs he’s standing up for (you would be a fool and a communist to suggest this might have anything to do with his own dubious actions as an MP).

Yet this principled stand against Private Members Bills can suddenly evaporate when it comes to himself and his own pet causes, as an example he tabled 41 PMBs in a single session in 2020 covering such vital issues a banning the teaching of climate change, banning the TV Licence, selling vapes to children and killing bats.

There’s a common theme here I can’t quite put my finger on.

I think it rhymes with “cooking planker”.

[plodder]

Chope is the kind of bloke who appeals to the kind of play hard win hard backslapping hard drinking humourless jag driving sneaky golf c.nt that often props up the bar in the more affluent country pubs round here.

[Trinucleus]

Boris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003

Leadership challenge it is then

[Troubled Joe]

Boris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003

Leadership challenge it is then

Get yer snake oil here……

[warumich]

Boris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003

Leadership challenge it is then

Oh no, given that Cameron was infinitely worse than Brown, May was infinitely worse than Cameron and Johnson is infinitely worse than May, I think we can expect either Dorries or Francois as PM next.

This time next year we'll be at war with France.

[dyqik]

Boris has just proposed a ban on MPs doing paid consultancies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59311003

Leadership challenge it is then

Oh no, given that Cameron was infinitely worse than Brown, May was infinitely worse than Cameron and Johnson is infinitely worse than May, I think we can expect either Dorries or Francois as PM next.

I think Chope has laid out his campaign.

[plodder]

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