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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by plodder » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:02 pm

A bang up to date technical report with costs and all sorts. Not read it yet but likely comprehensive.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... roject.pdf

Suggests a lot of the problem can be solved for under £4bn. Fergal Sharkey is keen to point out this represents about 2 year's profit for the industry.

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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by sheldrake » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:19 pm

Somebody dedicated should go through the MPs register of interests noting water company shares.

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Post by plodder » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:43 pm

Typically everyone with a pension has water company shares - they are the kind of low yield, low risk share that underpins a lot of "sensible" investments. Water company profits by turnover are not particularly exciting - people just get pissed off when they're told there's no money for insfrastructure improvements when hundreds of millions are taken as profits. But as I think I've mentioned already, the interest rates water cos can borrow at (typically interest only by the way) to fund their infrastructure schemes are dependent on profit. So removing the profit also removes the cheap credit - there's a bit of a balancing act to do there.

Unfortunately don't have a link to any numbers for the last bit, it was explained to me by a very cheerful engineer just prior to his retirement... but certainly water cos employ very well paid teams of finance specialists for this reason. Ultimately water cos are just a balancing act between cheap finance, maximum profit and keeping Ofwat and the EA happy.

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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by plodder » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 am

Big vote in the Commons today - choice is on the gov amendment (which legalises sh.t in rivers for the first time in ages) or the Wellington / HoL amendment (which does not).

I've written to my MP, if you want some ideas for suggested text then as always Fergal Sharkey is on the case:

https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey/sta ... 9525192707


eta I am hoping that some of the new Tory intake, hung out to dry a few days ago over Patterson, have a bit of fire in their bellies.

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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by plodder » Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:05 pm

no fire in bellies.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:24 pm

The public response is heartening - and huge props to Sharkey. He was a big inspiration for a mature student on my degree back in the day, but I didn't see much of him till recently.

The pisspoor political response is predictable, if a bit sad. I suspect further environmental degradation and laissez-faireism is to come.
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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by tenchboy » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:00 pm

Nothing should come out of a sewage pipe that couldn't be sprayed on the village green... or in regents park, or the south downs or any other wild-life rich open space where everyone can see it: if it's not fit to pipe on to the village green (etc), why is it ok to pipe it into rivers?

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Post by tenchboy » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:08 pm

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It'safuckingdisgrace.
After everything that has been done to clean up the rivers; and now they become sewers again

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Re: sh.t in Rivers

Post by Fishnut » Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm

From the graniud:
A legal action group is warning there may be an information blackout on sewage discharges by water companies for years, after the Environment Agency announced an inquiry into more than 2,000 sites.

Fish Legal said that in the past, the EA has refused to disclose any information once an investigation is launched. The group said the systemic abuse of the permit conditions under which sewage treatment works have to operate had been brought to light by the public, often using environmental information requests...

[Penny Gane, head of legal practice at Fish Legal] highlighted the length of time it had taken for the EA to investigate and prosecute Southern Water over the illegal dumping of billions of litres of untreated sewage. The investigation into offences that took place between January 2010 to December 2015 only ended in July 2021 when the company was fined £90m.

“We therefore consider there to be a very real prospect that the agency will impose an information blackout relating to storm overflows for years whilst its investigation is ongoing,” said Gane.
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