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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:23 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:10 pm

More importantly, I want to go back to something I mentioned in my last post that has been stuck in my mind ever since. Due to the huge number of rape charges against Carrick it's hard to parse individual allegations against the resulting charges but from my little bit of research it really looks like the rape allegation made in October 2021 was not prosecuted. The Evening Standard reported,
[Carrick] denied a further count of rape in September 2020 relating to a 13th woman, whose allegation triggered the investigation, and the Crown Prosecution Service decided it was not in the public interest to proceed to trial on the charge.
And this is backed up by the CPS which writes,
Carrick was charged with offences which related to 13 women. After careful consideration the decision was reached to accept his not guilty plea in relation to one of the women. 
The more I think about this the more baffled I feel. This woman went to the police to report a rape by one of their officers, something that must have taken huge bravery and something she's highly unlikely to do if it was a false accusation. Her report led to him finally being investigated and determined to be one of the most prolific rapists known in the UK and yet somehow her testimony wasn't deemed sufficiently believable to be prosecuted. It feels like such a huge denial of justice for her.
It’s from the Mail, so take it or leave it, but apparently:
Carrick was suspended from duty following his arrest and remanded in custody as the investigation 'snowballed' following the publicity surrounding the case, according to police.

He denied raping the woman and prosecutors said it was not in the public interest to proceed to trial on the charge as he admitted sex attacks on a dozen other women who came forward following the first complaint.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... women.html

Presumably he wouldn’t get a longer sentence if he’d been found guilty for a 13th time. What isn’t reported is the attitude of the victim. Perhaps the CPS denied her justice in order to save money, or perhaps they saved the victim from the ordeal of reliving in public what happened to her and having a defence barrister call let a liar.

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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by jimbob » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:59 pm

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/senior-met-p ... -p.rn-and/
Senior Met Police officer accused of having a secret room full of child p.rn and boys' pants 'found dead at home'
18 January 2023, 07:47


Met officers and the police watchdog IOPC launched a joint investigation into Watkinson, and they found the room in a July 2021 raid. The abuse images were Category A and B, meaning the abuse captured was of the worst levels. There was no evidence that he had personally abused any child.
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by Formerly AvP » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:28 pm

jimbob wrote:
Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:59 pm
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/senior-met-p ... -p.rn-and/
Senior Met Police officer accused of having a secret room full of child p.rn and boys' pants 'found dead at home'
18 January 2023, 07:47


Met officers and the police watchdog IOPC launched a joint investigation into Watkinson, and they found the room in a July 2021 raid. The abuse images were Category A and B, meaning the abuse captured was of the worst levels. There was no evidence that he had personally abused any child.
Chief Inspector
Oh yes, this IOPC https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -complaint watchdog: no doubt it will be a curious incident.
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by snoozeofreason » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:54 am

Woodchopper wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:23 pm
Fishnut wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:10 pm

More importantly, I want to go back to something I mentioned in my last post that has been stuck in my mind ever since. Due to the huge number of rape charges against Carrick it's hard to parse individual allegations against the resulting charges but from my little bit of research it really looks like the rape allegation made in October 2021 was not prosecuted. The Evening Standard reported,
[Carrick] denied a further count of rape in September 2020 relating to a 13th woman, whose allegation triggered the investigation, and the Crown Prosecution Service decided it was not in the public interest to proceed to trial on the charge.
And this is backed up by the CPS which writes,
Carrick was charged with offences which related to 13 women. After careful consideration the decision was reached to accept his not guilty plea in relation to one of the women. 
The more I think about this the more baffled I feel. This woman went to the police to report a rape by one of their officers, something that must have taken huge bravery and something she's highly unlikely to do if it was a false accusation. Her report led to him finally being investigated and determined to be one of the most prolific rapists known in the UK and yet somehow her testimony wasn't deemed sufficiently believable to be prosecuted. It feels like such a huge denial of justice for her.
It’s from the Mail, so take it or leave it, but apparently:
Carrick was suspended from duty following his arrest and remanded in custody as the investigation 'snowballed' following the publicity surrounding the case, according to police.

He denied raping the woman and prosecutors said it was not in the public interest to proceed to trial on the charge as he admitted sex attacks on a dozen other women who came forward following the first complaint.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... women.html

Presumably he wouldn’t get a longer sentence if he’d been found guilty for a 13th time. What isn’t reported is the attitude of the victim. Perhaps the CPS denied her justice in order to save money, or perhaps they saved the victim from the ordeal of reliving in public what happened to her and having a defence barrister call let a liar.
The problems that I have been highlighting in the criminal barristers thread would probably have a bearing on her attitude. A contested rape case takes, on average, around three years to reach trial. That's a long time to wait when the trial may not result in any change to the sentence that the offender serves. She would give her evidence at a private "Section 28 Hearing", so it wouldn't quite be as public as your post makes it sound but, as Kirsty Brimelow, chair of the Criminal Barristers' Association points out, that sort of support is meaningless if the criminal justice system does not have the resources to bring cases to court in a timely fashion.

I suppose there would be political pressure to expedite a trial that was as high profile as this one, but I don't know how much freedom the court system has to do that, and of course pushing this case up the queue would mean further delays to other cases that might be just as horrendous, even though they haven't had as much coverage in the media.
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by jimbob » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:04 pm

Formerly AvP wrote:
Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:28 pm
jimbob wrote:
Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:59 pm
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/senior-met-p ... -p.rn-and/
Senior Met Police officer accused of having a secret room full of child p.rn and boys' pants 'found dead at home'
18 January 2023, 07:47


Met officers and the police watchdog IOPC launched a joint investigation into Watkinson, and they found the room in a July 2021 raid. The abuse images were Category A and B, meaning the abuse captured was of the worst levels. There was no evidence that he had personally abused any child.
Chief Inspector
Oh yes, this IOPC https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -complaint watchdog: no doubt it will be a curious incident.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... st13990673


Via Nessie (a Scottish retired cop who's attitude towards police forces changed after details emerged from the Ian Tomlinson case)

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"Jack Addis, 63, of no fixed address and Jeremy Laxton, 62, from Lincolnshire, will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 9 February.
Both left the Metropolitan Police more than a decade ago."[/QUOTE]
And my reply, below, which I will repeat here.


How many more cases before the Met stops saying it's "unbelievable".

Also. It shows a (justified) feeling of impunity to have identified himself as an active paedophile to colleagues. I think there are questions to be asked how he did that without giving himself away to at least one colleague who would be disgusted enough to report him.
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by dyqik » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:32 pm

That broken link should be:

https://news.sky.com/story/two-retired- ... s-12790331

I think

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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by jimbob » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:54 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:32 pm
That broken link should be:

https://news.sky.com/story/two-retired- ... s-12790331

I think
Yes, that was a mess
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by Fishnut » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:02 pm

Not all of these are sexual crimes (I hope) but this shows just how little the police care about policing their own.
Home Office figures show 2,718 misconduct allegations were made against Avon and Somerset Constabulary officers and handled under the formal complaints process in the year to April 2022.

Of these, 2,460 (91%) resulted in no action being required against the police officers involved.

Just three allegations were referred to official misconduct proceedings and 54 were referred to the reflective practice review process – when an officer’s behaviour falls short of expectations but does not amount to misconduct...

Across England and Wales, 87,786 allegations were made against police officers and handled under the formal complaints process in 2021-22. The majority (88%) found no action was required.
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:08 pm

"For the greater good"
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Re: Police committing sexual crimes

Post by Fishnut » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:11 pm

A Dorset police officer has been charged with eight sexual offences including two charges of rape. He's been suspended while investigations take place.
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