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I don't think they'd be different from anybody else in the army. Crime rates, particularly prostitution, rape and drunken violence tend to shoot through the roof around the army bases of any nation. Army bases are full of young men away from community & family restraints who've been trained to be aggressive and physical.
Even really elite front line units like the paras get rotated out of intense stuff like Afghanistan or Iraq to things like this to stop then burning out. Even SAS soldiers get sent to random hot countries to train some Sultan’s troops (sometimes they get sent because thats who the Sultan asked for and the MOD wants to butter the Sultan up).plodder wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:11 amThe cream of the crop do not get sent to Kenya for very long (or the Falklands, or rocks in the Pacific)sheldrake wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:51 pmI don't think they'd be different from anybody else in the army. Crime rates, particularly prostitution, rape and drunken violence tend to shoot through the roof around the army bases of any nation. Army bases are full of young men away from community & family restraints who've been trained to be aggressive and physical.
No, it's just reality. https://theintercept.com/2021/10/03/oki ... -military/
Julius Caesar made his name fighting in Gaul and Germania. The Praetorian guard who were bodyguards to senators (and the only people allowed to carry weapons within the sacred precinct of Rome) were hand-picked veterans from campaigns on the periphery. Rough blokes who could handle trouble.
This was why I raised the point about incompetent (but likely well-connected) management being posted to the provinces. Apologies if it didn’t translate properly - but the military has a long tradition of closing ranks (swidt???) and I’m willing to bet the willingness to accept scrutiny diminishes rapidly with distance from the top brass at the MoD.
That’s b.llsh.t. Book reading men are historically the only people who ever change anything.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:48 pmNone of the peaceful, liberal, book reading men involved in this thread are the people you need to reach. We literally have no means available to us to prevent soldiers behaving like this.Fishnut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:34 pmFFS. This thread is about the actions of British soldiers operating in Kenya. If you want to talk about Roman soldiers or whatever the f.ck you think is going to downplay the horrendous behaviour on display by our miltary then go and make your own thread. I got my post separated into a separate thread because the horrendous murder of a woman by a soldier seemed to be of no interest to anyone in the original one. I won't have this thread perverted as well.
And just to spell it out to people,
They called Wayne Couzens "the rapist".a senior officer openly referring to the alleged killer as “the one that killed the prostitute in Kenya”. [Source]
The people who are supposed to be protecting us see women as objects to use and abuse, not as people to protect. Until we address the culture that says that only some people (people like us - white and male) are worthy of consideration then nothing will ever change.
We can lobby for things to be made illegal, but the terrible things that have happened here are definitely already illegal. We can introduce teaching on appropriate behaviour to the education system, but these soldiers are from a country that have had that kind of social education for over a generation already.plodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:58 amThat’s b.llsh.t. Book reading men are historically the only people who ever change anything.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:48 pmNone of the peaceful, liberal, book reading men involved in this thread are the people you need to reach. We literally have no means available to us to prevent soldiers behaving like this.Fishnut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:34 pmFFS. This thread is about the actions of British soldiers operating in Kenya. If you want to talk about Roman soldiers or whatever the f.ck you think is going to downplay the horrendous behaviour on display by our miltary then go and make your own thread. I got my post separated into a separate thread because the horrendous murder of a woman by a soldier seemed to be of no interest to anyone in the original one. I won't have this thread perverted as well.
And just to spell it out to people,
They called Wayne Couzens "the rapist".
The people who are supposed to be protecting us see women as objects to use and abuse, not as people to protect. Until we address the culture that says that only some people (people like us - white and male) are worthy of consideration then nothing will ever change.
What if I modify my own behaviour to encourage other to modify their behaviour to collectively put pressure on the government and military to clean up their act? It’s called ‘being a citizen’.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:10 amWe can lobby for things to be made illegal, but the terrible things that have happened here are definitely already illegal. We can introduce teaching on appropriate behaviour to the education system, but these soldiers are from a country that have had that kind of social education for over a generation already.
The kind of men reading this thread are not the kind of men who enlist in the army and chase prostitutes, so modifying our own behaviour wont’t help. What’s left?
As said in the other thread, it's completely unclear what you want to pressure the government into doing. They're already investigating the crime mentioned in the other thread, as they investigated bl..dy Sunday, and all the cases brought against soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.plodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:17 amWhat if I modify my own behaviour to encourage other to modify their behaviour to collectively put pressure on the government and military to clean up their act? It’s called ‘being a citizen’.sheldrake wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:10 amWe can lobby for things to be made illegal, but the terrible things that have happened here are definitely already illegal. We can introduce teaching on appropriate behaviour to the education system, but these soldiers are from a country that have had that kind of social education for over a generation already.
The kind of men reading this thread are not the kind of men who enlist in the army and chase prostitutes, so modifying our own behaviour wont’t help. What’s left?