2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!
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Be interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs. Pretty clear that Johnson is likely to go for the Sense of Proportion defence today. Probably the trickiest one for Starmer today though. Ukraine and cost of living does make it hard to play.
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Or the easiest, depending on your approach, some variant of:-El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs. Pretty clear that Johnson is likely to go for the Sense of Proportion defence today. Probably the trickiest one for Starmer today though. Ukraine and cost of living does make it hard to play.
"In these difficult times the British public can not afford to be lead by a scandal-mired and discredited PM who has lost all his authority and is now spending all his energies simply clinging onto power for power's sake. If nothing else, it is his patriotic duty now to step aside and make way for somebody who hasn't lost the confidence of this House and the British electorate.".
Basically a Norway Debate Redux, Davis has already provided the tag-line.
If Starmer wants to be really mischievous he could even publicly call on Sunak to step up and take the reins, just to watch the Tory Front bench implode.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!
Here's Attlee's quote which seemed apt.Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:07 pm
Basically a Norway Debate Redux, Davis has already provided the tag-line.
They have allowed their loyalty to the Chief Whip to overcome their loyalty to the real needs of the country. I say that the House of Commons must take its full responsibility. I say that there is a widespread feeling in this country, not that we shall lose the war, that we will win the war, but that to win the war, we want different people at the helm from those who have led us into it.
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Uhuh. Good call. Made me think along the lines of...Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:07 pmOr the easiest, depending on your approach, some variant of:-El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs. Pretty clear that Johnson is likely to go for the Sense of Proportion defence today. Probably the trickiest one for Starmer today though. Ukraine and cost of living does make it hard to play.
"In these difficult times the British public can not afford to be lead by a scandal-mired and discredited PM who has lost all his authority and is now spending all his energies simply clinging onto power for power's sake. If nothing else, it is his patriotic duty now to step aside and make way for somebody who hasn't lost the confidence of this House and the British electorate.".
Basically a Norway Debate Redux, Davis has already provided the tag-line.
If Starmer wants to be really mischievous he could even publicly call on Sunak to step up and take the reins, just to watch the Tory Front bench implode.
" Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the situation in the Ukraine please?"
Followed by, " Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the current dramatic rise in the cost of living please"
And, " Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the reasons for lorries parked nose to tail down the A & M20 please"
And," Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the continued use of our freshwater river and streams being used as private sewers by utility companies that continue to pay out dividends to their shareholders rather than invest in their business please"
etc.
And then invite Liz Truss to...
You know, just for the fun of it.
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I think that would have been far more effective. Starmer seems to use his questions as an opportunity for a party political broadcasttenchboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:00 pmUhuh. Good call. Made me think along the lines of...Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:07 pmOr the easiest, depending on your approach, some variant of:-El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs. Pretty clear that Johnson is likely to go for the Sense of Proportion defence today. Probably the trickiest one for Starmer today though. Ukraine and cost of living does make it hard to play.
"In these difficult times the British public can not afford to be lead by a scandal-mired and discredited PM who has lost all his authority and is now spending all his energies simply clinging onto power for power's sake. If nothing else, it is his patriotic duty now to step aside and make way for somebody who hasn't lost the confidence of this House and the British electorate.".
Basically a Norway Debate Redux, Davis has already provided the tag-line.
If Starmer wants to be really mischievous he could even publicly call on Sunak to step up and take the reins, just to watch the Tory Front bench implode.
" Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the situation in the Ukraine please?"
Followed by, " Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the current dramatic rise in the cost of living please"
And, " Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the reasons for lorries parked nose to tail down the A & M20 please"
And," Would the scandal-mired and discredited PM care to give the house an update on the continued use of our freshwater river and streams being used as private sewers by utility companies that continue to pay out dividends to their shareholders rather than invest in their business please"
etc.
And then invite Liz Truss to...
You know, just for the fun of it.
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1) Real people don't watch PMQ.
2) Except for the 30 seconds that's replayed on News at 10.
3) Starmer gave them material for that extract
4) Johnson didn't give anything positive the news can use, his repetitions of how marvellous the govt is won't work for the news format.
2) Except for the 30 seconds that's replayed on News at 10.
3) Starmer gave them material for that extract
4) Johnson didn't give anything positive the news can use, his repetitions of how marvellous the govt is won't work for the news format.
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Forensic.El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs.
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Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:41 pmForensic.El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs.
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bl..dy forensic, I'd say. Just getting in there, forensically, with his verbal scalpel, forensically cutting away at things.Sciolus wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:00 pmBird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:41 pmForensic.El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 amBe interesting today to see how Starmer plays it at PMQs.
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He does contrast nicely with the blather of Johnson. Shows Johnson up quite well I think. But I’m not sure the man on the Clapham Omnibus would agree.
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Johnson's "you're a lawyer not a leader"
Was begging for the "you're neither" rejoinder
Was begging for the "you're neither" rejoinder
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I believe the come back from a Labour MP was along the lines of "I'd rather have a lawyer than a liar", which is getting a lot of FB airing
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Johnson should be nice to lawyers, he's probably going to need one soon.
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He won’t though, will he. He might have to resign but that’s as far as it will go.
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Whoever gave Johnson that line clearly didn't think through the inevitable alliteration comeback. It even rhymes and scans better.Cardinal Fang wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:58 amI believe the come back from a Labour MP was along the lines of "I'd rather have a lawyer than a liar", which is getting a lot of FB airing
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Misconduct in public office is a serious offence.
And he's a greedy shameless prick. He will surely challenge any fines coming from breach of coronavirus regulations
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And yet I can’t see it happening. I don’t think Prime Ministers have immunity from prosecution in law but I’ll be astonished if we actually see criminal sanctions.
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Depends if whoever comes next really wants to stick the boot in, I expect.
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Given the tories' disastrous poll ratings, I would suspect that someone wanting to cover their arse would worry as much about what the very-possibly-next-but-one PM, a certain former DPP, might think about them not prosecuting when there is clear evidence of malfeasance, as about what Truss, Sunak or some other sub-Johnson scumbag might want.
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For a misconduct charge? It would be perverse if Johnson was charged with that for the parties. It does not literally mean any misconduct that occurs within a publicly owned office. There may be some fines issued. But even in this case, Johnson would not be first in line to receive one.tom p wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:20 pmGiven the tories' disastrous poll ratings, I would suspect that someone wanting to cover their arse would worry as much about what the very-possibly-next-but-one PM, a certain former DPP, might think about them not prosecuting when there is clear evidence of malfeasance, as about what Truss, Sunak or some other sub-Johnson scumbag might want.
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Misconduct in public office is not 'misconduct in a publicly-owned office', it is 'misconduct while you hold a position working for HMG, at any level'.WFJ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:27 pmFor a misconduct charge? It would be perverse if Johnson was charged with that for the parties. It does not literally mean any misconduct that occurs within a publicly owned office. There may be some fines issued. But even in this case, Johnson would not be first in line to receive one.tom p wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:20 pmGiven the tories' disastrous poll ratings, I would suspect that someone wanting to cover their arse would worry as much about what the very-possibly-next-but-one PM, a certain former DPP, might think about them not prosecuting when there is clear evidence of malfeasance, as about what Truss, Sunak or some other sub-Johnson scumbag might want.
Yes, there is presumably a higher threshold for such charges than breaching coronavirus regulations; but the prime minister, who has spent ages repeatedly telling the whole country to obey these regulations repeatedly flouting them, encouraging/permitting his staff to repeatedly do so, and then lying about it, is worse than Janice from Ilford having one more person over than is permitted.
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It's misconduct while carrying out the duties of your office. The issue with the parties is that they were non-work-related social events, ie not related to his duties, and therefore not allowed.tom p wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:34 pmMisconduct in public office is not 'misconduct in a publicly-owned office', it is 'misconduct while you hold a position working for HMG, at any level'.WFJ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:27 pmFor a misconduct charge? It would be perverse if Johnson was charged with that for the parties. It does not literally mean any misconduct that occurs within a publicly owned office. There may be some fines issued. But even in this case, Johnson would not be first in line to receive one.tom p wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:20 pmGiven the tories' disastrous poll ratings, I would suspect that someone wanting to cover their arse would worry as much about what the very-possibly-next-but-one PM, a certain former DPP, might think about them not prosecuting when there is clear evidence of malfeasance, as about what Truss, Sunak or some other sub-Johnson scumbag might want.
Yes, there is presumably a higher threshold for such charges than breaching coronavirus regulations; but the prime minister, who has spent ages repeatedly telling the whole country to obey these regulations repeatedly flouting them, encouraging/permitting his staff to repeatedly do so, and then lying about it, is worse than Janice from Ilford having one more person over than is permitted.
If the allegations of MPs being threatened with withdrawal of funding for their constituencies if they did not support him personally could be proven, that might result in charges. But even then the fact it would have likely been done by the whips rather than Johnson personally, and b.llsh.t excuses could be made like "oh! I wasn't threatening you. I was just describing what could happen if a destabilised Tory government resulted in Labour getting in", would, I imagine, make it difficult to stick.
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One of the duties of his (job) office is ensuring the government regulations and law are adhered to by government staff, including in the their (physical) offices. Knowingly allowing flagrant breaches of regulations and laws by your immediate staff can easily be construed as misconduct in public office.WFJ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:52 pmIt's misconduct while carrying out the duties of your office. The issue with the parties is that they were non-work-related social events, ie not related to his duties, and therefore not allowed.tom p wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:34 pmMisconduct in public office is not 'misconduct in a publicly-owned office', it is 'misconduct while you hold a position working for HMG, at any level'.WFJ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:27 pm
For a misconduct charge? It would be perverse if Johnson was charged with that for the parties. It does not literally mean any misconduct that occurs within a publicly owned office. There may be some fines issued. But even in this case, Johnson would not be first in line to receive one.
Yes, there is presumably a higher threshold for such charges than breaching coronavirus regulations; but the prime minister, who has spent ages repeatedly telling the whole country to obey these regulations repeatedly flouting them, encouraging/permitting his staff to repeatedly do so, and then lying about it, is worse than Janice from Ilford having one more person over than is permitted.
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I doubt Johnson is at all worried about the actual criminal or work-related sanctions. It's more about the rabid peasantry on his backbenches and in the constituencies.
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Irrespective of the Grey report or the Met Police handing him a fine, I don't think BoJo is capable of doing the honorable thing. He'll act in his sole interest and cling on for dear life. He's going to have to be forced from office, either by his own benches, or by the electorate the the next GE.
I think a lot of Tory MP's realize he has to go son if they're to maximize the chance of keeping their seats at the next GE, but it would be a disaster if BoJo survived a no confidence vote and they found themselves stuck with another year of this... they're between a rock and a hard place.
I think a lot of Tory MP's realize he has to go son if they're to maximize the chance of keeping their seats at the next GE, but it would be a disaster if BoJo survived a no confidence vote and they found themselves stuck with another year of this... they're between a rock and a hard place.
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