2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Beaker » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:49 pm

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Gfamily » Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:52 pm

Looks like the newly issued fines included the office holders at No10 and 11

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/15 ... 6766109705
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Tessa K » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:13 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:52 pm
Looks like the newly issued fines included the office holders at No10 and 11

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/15 ... 6766109705
Excuses, backpeddling, blaming someone else, laughing it off - all to follow shortly. Words like abuse of public office, malfeasance and lying like a bastard come to mind. I would also draw your attention to Annex A of the Ministerial Code.

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Rich Scopie » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:13 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:52 pm
Looks like the newly issued fines included the office holders at No10 and 11

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/15 ... 6766109705
Yep.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by WFJ » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:24 pm

A cynic might think Johnson's Kyiv trip occurred with fortune timing. Similarly the leaks about Sunak and his wife.

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Grumble » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:26 pm

WFJ wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:24 pm
A cynic might think Johnson's Kyiv trip occurred with fortune timing. Similarly the leaks about Sunak and his wife.
I don’t doubt Johnson will try to use his Kyiv trip in his support, but I don’t think it could have happened more than a few days earlier. He wouldn’t have been able to go before the Russians left northern Ukraine but he wanted to go as soon as he could.
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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:28 pm

I wonder if Sunak could use this as a weapon. There have been rumours that he might resign recently. Doing so at this point could fatally weaken Johnson.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Lew Dolby » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:34 pm

Why did he go there, anyway ? he could deliver more (breakable ?) promises in London just as easily..

On the perties, have the organisers been given the £10,000 fines applicable? I know a landlord of a pub round here got one.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by WFJ » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:36 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:28 pm
I wonder if Sunak could use this as a weapon. There have been rumours that he might resign recently. Doing so at this point could fatally weaken Johnson.
That would be funny.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:43 pm

Lew Dolby wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:34 pm
On the perties, have the organisers been given the £10,000 fines applicable? I know a landlord of a pub round here got one.
Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to be fined over lockdown parties

Officials confirmed the three had received notification from the Metropolitan Police that they would be given fixed penalty notices.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak must resign.

The Met is investigating alleged Covid law-breaking at 12 gatherings in Whitehall and Downing Street.

So far, more than 50 fines have been handed out.

The police said they would not be naming all of those who received the fines, but the government had promised to reveal if Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak were among them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61083402

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:44 pm

Resigning now is the best option for Sunak.

Clinging on the best option for Johnson.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Grumble » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:53 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:44 pm
Resigning now is the best option for Sunak.

Clinging on the best option for Johnson.
Resigning for Sunak is possible to do in such a way that he massively undermines Johnson. Fingers crossed.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:15 pm

Does everyone remember this bizarre series of answers to questions given by Downing Street spad. It really is worth reading again.
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/ ... -H0NZSdQFA
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by jimbob » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:19 pm

From Deano/Dean Morrison ( a member here)

https://twitter.com/BarumDean/status/15 ... 6349267968
Allegra Stratton resigned and she wasn't even at the parties.
And Johnson happily took that resignation.
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Post by Opti » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:19 pm

I see a few Tory MPs who, only a few weeks ago, were saying Johnson must go are now saying it would be wrong for him to resign because it would destabilise the Government.

Yeah, like it's a really stable government. :roll:
Time for a big fat one.

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:26 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:15 pm
Does everyone remember this bizarre series of answers to questions given by Downing Street spad. It really is worth reading again.
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/ ... -H0NZSdQFA
I'd also encourage everyone to re-read the second post in this thread, which is a masterpiece of nonsense.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by TopBadger » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:16 pm

As I said nearly two months ago this is already priced in, and over the last two months the anger will have abated somewhat.

Tory MP's who previously said this was a resigning matter will use the Russia / Ukraine conflict to look the other way, a foreign war we're not directly involved in will be cast as more important than the PM upholding his own laws.

As for the many comments made to the effect of "If Johnson had any decency he'd resign" - well... NEWS FLASH - Johnson does not, and has never had, any decency.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Tessa K » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:19 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:19 pm
I see a few Tory MPs who, only a few weeks ago, were saying Johnson must go are now saying it would be wrong for him to resign because it would destabilise the Government.

Yeah, like it's a really stable government. :roll:
Strong and stable.

Was Dorries at any of the parties? Can we get rid of her, please?

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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:27 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:16 pm
As I said nearly two months ago this is already priced in, and over the last two months the anger will have abated somewhat.
The anger won't abate. It's so personal for so many. There's utter hatred for Johnson.

I don't think we've ever seen such an electoral liability. The longer he stays, the bigger the damage to the Conservative Party.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:52 pm

I love the idea that changing PM is a bad idea because of a war in Europe we aren't involved in, when the last time we actually were at war in Europe, we changed PM.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:06 pm

You're allowed to change PM during a war you are fighting in. Twice during WW2. Once during WW1.

But this isn't our war. British troops aren't fighting. Obviously this rules out changing PM until it's over.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Little waster » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:19 pm

Ministerial Code wrote:c. It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister;
See this proves De Peppa did nothing wrong.

It quite clearly states that only Ministers have to resign if they lie in Parliament and they resign by giving their resignation to the PM.

Now it would be absurd to suggest a PM would offer their resignation to themselves therefore PMs are clearly allowed to lie in Parliament QED.

This defending the indefensible lark is a piece of piss. ;)
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by jimbob » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:20 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:27 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:16 pm
As I said nearly two months ago this is already priced in, and over the last two months the anger will have abated somewhat.
The anger won't abate. It's so personal for so many. There's utter hatred for Johnson.

I don't think we've ever seen such an electoral liability. The longer he stays, the bigger the damage to the Conservative Party.
It plays to the brand he's spent so long building up, and toxifies it.

"Boris the lad who's a good laugh, having a laugh and a party when you're not allowed to, and laughing *at* you... almost literally laughing at the funerals"
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by Grumble » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:49 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:06 pm
You're allowed to change PM during a war you are fighting in. Twice during WW2. Once during WW1.

But this isn't our war. British troops aren't fighting. Obviously this rules out changing PM until it's over.
We weren’t actually fighting in Iraq when we got rid of Maggie.
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Re: 2020 No. 10 Christmas Party!

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:51 pm

BREAKING.

Allegations Johnson cheated on a Wordle last week. Tory voters in the Shires utterly appalled.
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