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Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:49 pm
by discovolante
headshot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:37 pm
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:29 pm
Ooh, 'reasonable chance' eh? *rubs hands together*
I look forward to them implementing this by Christmas 2026.
Or tomorrow. That would be fun.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:00 pm
by Trinucleus
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:49 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:37 pm
discovolante wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:29 pm
Ooh, 'reasonable chance' eh? *rubs hands together*
I look forward to them implementing this by Christmas 2026.
Or tomorrow. That would be fun.
My (UK) vaccine certificate shows three doses, I had my booster about a month ago
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:39 pm
by lpm
headshot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:01 pm
Looks like the Govt are going to shift to proof of being “fully vaccinated”, for Covid passes etc, to include the booster doses too.
Two doses won’t cut it.
To tackle the spread of the Omicron coronavirus variant, Javid announced in parliament on Monday that to qualify for a Covid pass, people would need proof of a recent negative test result or three jabs, rather than two. He said the change would come into force “once all adults have had a reasonable chance to get their booster jab”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-measures
Pure pretence. None of this matters.
The Omicron wave will have raced through and burned itself out before this sort of timetable. People will voluntarily lockdown and venues will close due to ill/isolating staff.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:51 am
by Herainestold
lpm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:39 pm
The Omicron wave will have raced through and burned itself out before this sort of timetable. People will voluntarily lockdown and venues will close due to ill/
deceased staff.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:37 am
by Millennie Al
Re vaccine passports etc.
shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:13 pm
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:44 am
All the more reason to urgently research the effects. When government actions are expensive and intrusive they really must be justified on the grounds that they are worthwhile. We can have an exception for when urgent action is needed, but even if it's just one-off, that should be checked, but here it's ongoing.
How would you propose to check, and what should we do in the meantime? It seems like the UK suddenly needs urgent action again.
We could check by making the regulations differ from place to place randomly and checking what effects are seen. But we're obviously not going to do that because this disease has been suitable for such experiments since the end of the first wave and nobody with power to do any such experiments cares enough to do them. Instead we're just going to blunder on using educated (and uneducated) guesses to determine policy. If we are running such experiments, then we could do them over the whole country and, when results are available, switch the policy based on the results.
The UK needs urgent action because we're led by idiots who keep doing the wrong thing, so the disease keeps a strong presence and any variation is an emergency. Our national exit strategy is that everyone catches Omicron, only the strong survive, and we then have enough immunity that life goes back to normal.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:07 am
by Herainestold
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:37 am
The UK needs urgent action because we're led by idiots who keep doing the wrong thing, so the disease keeps a strong presence and any variation is an emergency. Our national exit strategy is that everyone catches Omicron, only the strong survive, and we then have enough immunity that life goes back to normal.
We need a strategy like Chile where their lock down only allowed two, two hour, breaks outside the home, per week. You had to show your permit on your phone if you were outside. It quickly brought surging cases under control.
Personally, I will follow such a strategy myself until at least March.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:58 am
by shpalman
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:37 am
Re vaccine passports etc.
shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:13 pm
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:44 am
All the more reason to urgently research the effects. When government actions are expensive and intrusive they really must be justified on the grounds that they are worthwhile. We can have an exception for when urgent action is needed, but even if it's just one-off, that should be checked, but here it's ongoing.
How would you propose to check, and what should we do in the meantime? It seems like the UK suddenly needs urgent action again.
We could check by making the regulations differ from place to place randomly and checking what effects are seen.
Like a year ago when different parts of the UK were in different tiers?
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:01 pm
by jimbob
lpm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:30 pm
Obviously venues have to close. We need to embrace lockdownism again.
Voluntary action is hurting the nightclubs etc already, though. There will be a lot of empty seats at panto and a lot of cancelled Christmas parties. Voluntary action works quite well.
Yes
Mandatory action also protects the venues better against loss of earnings.
This graph is scary, 4.4% to 23.4% between 6th December and 11th December
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Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:08 pm
by headshot
headshot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:12 pm
lpm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:30 pm
Obviously venues have to close. We need to embrace lockdownism again.
Voluntary action is hurting the nightclubs etc already, though. There will be a lot of empty seats at panto and a lot of cancelled Christmas parties. Voluntary action works quite well.
Citation need on Panto etc. The people I know have been playing to full houses. That may change as we get closer to Christmas…I’ll check in with them and report back.
Well, the anecdotal evidence from the 5 or so people I know at different pantos around the country is that sales are down generally, but have really dropped badly in the last week, with some shows being cancelled because of poor sales.
Weirdly a few areas are getting really strong numbers, but I couldn’t see any pattern to it.
Not good, given the last year. Lots of theatres rely on panto to see them through quieter parts of the season.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:23 pm
by raven
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:08 pm
Not good, given the last year. Lots of theatres rely on panto to see them through quieter parts of the season.
Why don't we have Christmas in April, or July instead? Just relocate all the office parties, the pantos, & the family get-togethers to a time frame when cases are low.
I suspect that's what I'll end up doing with my sister, whose lad tested positive this week. We'll have a second Christmas for her kids when they're all clear of it and things have settled down again.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:37 pm
by Herainestold
raven wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:23 pm
headshot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:08 pm
Not good, given the last year. Lots of theatres rely on panto to see them through quieter parts of the season.
Why don't we have Christmas in April, or July instead? Just relocate all the office parties, the pantos, & the family get-togethers to a time frame when cases are low.
I suspect that's what I'll end up doing with my sister, whose lad tested positive this week. We'll have a second Christmas for her kids when they're all clear of it and things have settled down again.
Christmas is a solstice celebration. We could move it to the summer solstice. That would be a good idea but a six month lockdown might not be do-able.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:49 pm
by raven
It's really a 'cheer up, it won't be dark and miserable and cold forever, winter will end' festival.
So maybe we should create a 'let's celebrate, cases are finally down' festival instead.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:52 pm
by Fishnut
raven wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:23 pm
hy don't we have Christmas in April, or July instead? Just relocate all the office parties, the pantos, & the family get-togethers to a time frame when cases are low.
I've been to a few 'christmas in july' parties when I lived downunder. And the corollary of christmas bbqs in midsummer and palm trees wrapped with christmas lights. It's almost like it's all made up and we could do it when we like...
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:58 pm
by raven
Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:52 pm
raven wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:23 pm
hy don't we have Christmas in April, or July instead? Just relocate all the office parties, the pantos, & the family get-togethers to a time frame when cases are low.
I've been to a few 'christmas in july' parties when I lived downunder. And the corollary of christmas bbqs in midsummer and palm trees wrapped with christmas lights. It's almost like it's all made up and we could do it when we like...
Ah, that takes me back. One of my fondest memories of living in Hawai'i is wrapping Christmas lights around the three potted palms we had in front of the house.
We had a bbq in November, while we were in Northern Ireland. It was blowing a gale too, but MrRaven was determined. Many firelighters were sacrificed....
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:01 am
by Martin_B
Fishnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:52 pm
raven wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:23 pm
hy don't we have Christmas in April, or July instead? Just relocate all the office parties, the pantos, & the family get-togethers to a time frame when cases are low.
I've been to a few 'christmas in july' parties when I lived downunder. And the corollary of christmas bbqs in midsummer and palm trees wrapped with christmas lights. It's almost like it's all made up and we could do it when we like...
My dad's family celebrates Christmas at the end of September/early October because there's too many for a sit-down Christmas meal, and the weather is generally still OK in the UK*. It leaves the fake, commercial Christmas to be spent with the other side of the family, thus solving arguments over which side of the family to spend the holidays with.
[* Also, if Jesus was born at the time of the Roman census, they tended to happen just after the harvest, so the timing is possibly more accurate than the winter solstice!]
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:08 am
by monkey
I've done Christmas in March a couple of times when I haven't been able to get back in December, or close. It still works. Think it does need everyone to do it at the same time though. That would've made it better. I'll let you know when it looks like I'm going to do that again.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:20 am
by discovolante
I'd prefer to appropriate some currently relatively unknown old festival of some description with a whole new bunch of traditions.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:46 am
by Herainestold
The whole point is to do it at the darkest time of the year.
In our modern VR world, it should be less relevant. However when I see the sun go down at 3:30, I can certainly see the point of it.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:52 am
by Millennie Al
shpalman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:58 am
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:37 am
Re vaccine passports etc.
shpalman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:13 pm
How would you propose to check, and what should we do in the meantime? It seems like the UK suddenly needs urgent action again.
We could check by making the regulations differ from place to place randomly and checking what effects are seen.
Like a year ago when different parts of the UK were in different tiers?
It's a start, but I don't think it was sufficiently random or sufficiently many different areas. Any results would be very waek, but it might be enough to suggest what to study properly.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:21 am
by Grumble
Back on topic, went to my GP for my booster yesterday and it’s there in my NHS app already. I hadn’t realised that all my LFTs showed up in there too.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:41 pm
by raven
discovolante wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:20 am
I'd prefer to appropriate some currently relatively unknown old festival of some description with a whole new bunch of traditions.
Saturnalia?
We've got a fool in charge already....
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:38 pm
by Opti
Here in Spain, your Covid vaccine status is updated on the Andalucian Health app within 24 hours of your latest vaccination. You can print it out (with QR code) or you can pick up a hard copy from your local Centro de Salud. The system works flawlessly.
The vaccination rate here is pretty reassuring. As is the strict adherence to social distancing and mask mandates.
The Andalucian Junta has just introduced mandatory proof of vaccine status in order to enter bars and restaurants. A short while before that was introduced for healthcare settings. A recent negative Covid test is also acceptable.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:24 pm
by lpm
They've got to move to vaccination proof plus negative test. Vaccines alone are too weak against Omi transmission.
Has Herainestold would say, don't risk it.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:52 pm
by Nickynockynoonoo
lpm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:24 pm
They've got to move to vaccination proof
plus negative test. Vaccines alone are too weak against Omi transmission.
Has Herainestold would say, don't risk it.
Too easy to fiddle ATM. Not that decent people would. My husband did a lateral flow test this morning, before visiting his mum in her care home. He put his results on line. All he needed was the QR number and he was sent a text, allowing him to visit. Plus booster proof of course.
Re: Proof of booster
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:42 pm
by raven
They don't even ask you to upload a photo of the test result. I suppose you'd still be able to fiddle it if they did, but it'd take more effort than just typing in the serial number and ticking whichever result box you wanted.