The Age of Electric Vehicles

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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by Martin Y » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:45 pm

Grumble wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:22 pm
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Ugh. 05:50 The sort of throwaway line that makes my heart sink. "...went to Paris recently to do the Dacia Spring, we tried all manner of random chargers; about 9% of them worked". Even if that's hyperbole for comic effect it's the kind of stress that would gnaw at me on a trip. Offputting.

And he's using that joke to praise the brand of charger they are using. Which he's happy to see is charging about half the rate the car will accept and only about 20% of what the charger is rated at. It's not a ringing endorsement.

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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by Aoui » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm

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Ugh. 05:50 The sort of throwaway line that makes my heart sink. "...went to Paris recently to do the Dacia Spring, we tried all manner of random chargers; about 9% of them worked". Even if that's hyperbole for comic effect it's the kind of stress that would gnaw at me on a trip. Offputting.


That was pretty much our experience in our ID3 in France in November. Actually, a lot were not broken but just did not work with our car. The cable fit and there didn't seem to be any reason that the charger companies, or various people from VW that we talked to in both France and the Netherlands. My husband even contacted a guy who does YouTube videos about ID3's and other electric cars and he was equally stumped. The only reason we were able to continue our vacation was because we were able to use a granny charger at the houses we stayed at. We had some very stressful moments and nearly called off the vacation. Glad we didn't, because it was otherwise an amazing vacation! We could only use chargers from two companies ..one of which we could only use some of their chargers....and they were all on the toll roads. We were able to charge at a VW dealership once. Next year I finally have to go home for a visit, but after that I want to go back to France and they really better get their act together by then!!!

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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by Grumble » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm

Martin Y wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:45 pm
Grumble wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:22 pm
1,000 mile journey in an ID4
https://youtu.be/Z3VNti14Kj0
Ugh. 05:50 The sort of throwaway line that makes my heart sink. "...went to Paris recently to do the Dacia Spring, we tried all manner of random chargers; about 9% of them worked". Even if that's hyperbole for comic effect it's the kind of stress that would gnaw at me on a trip. Offputting.

And he's using that joke to praise the brand of charger they are using. Which he's happy to see is charging about half the rate the car will accept and only about 20% of what the charger is rated at. It's not a ringing endorsement.
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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by lpm » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm

VW has sold out all 2022 production, allegedly. For ID3 and ID4, plus the Skoda and Cupra variants.

Demand is there, possibly over inflated by subsidies, but battery production isn't.
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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by TopBadger » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:30 am

lpm wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm
VW has sold out all 2022 production, allegedly. For ID3 and ID4, plus the Skoda and Cupra variants.

Demand is there, possibly over inflated by subsidies, but battery production isn't.
And what of the semiconductor chip shortage? Is that still dragging production down?

Must be a real bummer to go into a dealership all excited to buy a new car and then learn you'll need to wait in line for a year.
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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by nekomatic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:47 am

And secondhand prices have shot up as (presumably) a result. I’ve been idly keeping an eye out and I’m pretty sure if you’d bought a 2017 Leaf, say, eighteen months ago, you could now resell it at a profit. This is not how cars are supposed to work :shock:
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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by TopBadger » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:30 am

nekomatic wrote:
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This is not how cars are supposed to work :shock:
It's how supply and demand works... what the thing in supply/demand is doesn't matter.

Thinking ahead I'm wondering if I should buy a new gas boiler (or 5) in 2030... leave them in the garage, keep a spare for me and sell the rest privately after the ban. Saying that, you wonder how long having gas mains will be a thing for afterwards...
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Re: The Age of Electric Vehicles

Post by dyqik » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:05 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:30 am
nekomatic wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:47 am
This is not how cars are supposed to work :shock:
It's how supply and demand works... what the thing in supply/demand is doesn't matter.

Thinking ahead I'm wondering if I should buy a new gas boiler (or 5) in 2030... leave them in the garage, keep a spare for me and sell the rest privately after the ban. Saying that, you wonder how long having gas mains will be a thing for afterwards...
Gas stoves and boilers commonly last at least 20 years, even if not on average.

I assume the 2030 ban is timed to meet 2050 targets for emissions, so you've probably got 20 years. But the price of gas will rise a lot in that time, because as other customers switch away from it, the distribution charges will be transferred to the remaining customers.

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