Please learn some real second world war history rather than whatever the f.ck this oversimplified...thing...is.Herainestold wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:48 pmA long war favours Russia. Russia has enormous resources, but it will take a long time to marshall them. Look at the Second World War. After German armies were on the out skirts of Moscow, the tide turned and the Russian war machine churned out tanks and soldiers, culminating in Marshal Zhukovlpm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:35 pmTime is a crucial factor as well. Traditionally, wars of mass mobilisation are won with patience as well as factories. Going backwards on the battlefield isn't a problem when you are winning in the factory and will recapture next year.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:03 pmWars of mass mobilisation are won as much in the factory as they are on the battlefield.
But those where times when we cared less about civilian murders etc.
In Ukraine we can't let it be a patient victory over crappy Russian factories. Ensuring a quick win now is the only ethical answer for the west.
and the battle for Berlin, destroying everything in its path.
Having followed the above instructions, learn the difference between then and now. You see, the Soviet Union was dependant on massive amounts of western industrial and military aid. This time, that's favouring Ukraine.That is the fate awaiting Ukraine, if it cannot finish this thing in six months.
That and supply lines. Naturally the Soviet Union's supply lines got shorter as Germany advanced, and Germany's got longer. This factor also favours Ukraine.
No it won't you scaremongering f.ckwit. While Russian nuclear doctrine does allow first use of tactical nukes, it only allows them in situations where conventional threats put the existence of the nation in danger - not the borders, the existence of the nation. We're talking armoured divisions threatening to make thunder runs into the suburbs of Moscow scenarios. As Putin's grip on power slips, he'll find it harder and harder to get people to go along with changing nuclear doctrine.It cannot finish the war in six months without massive NATO aid, which will surely trigger a nuclear response.
While Putin may be a rat, it does not mean he is stronger when cornered. He's used to people backing down and self-deterring. He doesn't even know how to fight at this level, and that realisation has panicked him.We are about to see Putin's cornered rat moment.
Scholz recently spoke to him, outlining a sensible position - that he must abandon his war on Ukraine and leave all of Ukraine.Putin is the man clinging to the precipice. Somebody has to talk him down and give him a reason to live. Nobody is doing that.
No matter how unhappy Putin is, his unhappiness does not generate warfighting capability*. We do not need to stick to the ossified and clearly disproven idea that Russia is a terrifyingly strong great power. They aren't, they bit off more than they can chew, they are bleeding badly, so it's a great time to kick them when they are down.
*ugh, did I really just say "warfighting" with a straight face?