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KAJ wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:18 pm

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:55 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:02 pm

The EU, UK, US and other sanctioning entities should issue letters of marque and reprisal against the Oligarch yachts, allowing all those on the high seas to capture them and dispose of their contents.

So you would dispense with the rule of law and human rights?

Wikipedia 21st-century American reconsideration of letters of marque

In February of 2022, House bill H.R. 6869 was introduced, and if passed would "[authorize] the President to issue letters of marque and reprisal" in relation to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[45]

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:52 pm

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:55 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:02 pm

The EU, UK, US and other sanctioning entities should issue letters of marque and reprisal against the Oligarch yachts, allowing all those on the high seas to capture them and dispose of their contents.

So you would dispense with the rule of law and human rights?

Letters of marque have always been issued in accordance with law. Confiscated goods are apportioned after adjudication by an Admiralty court.
It is as lawful as sanctions.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:00 am

I suspect "if passed" is doing a lot of work there.

It was introduced by a Texas Republican, and of course even if passed there's no guarantee the president would actually use it.

bolo wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:48 am

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:00 am

I suspect "if passed" is doing a lot of work there.

It was introduced by a Texas Republican, and of course even if passed there's no guarantee the president would actually use it.

Not only a Republican in a Democrat-controlled House, but a Republican who isn't on the Foreign Affairs Committee and who hasn't been able to find even one cosponsor.

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:23 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:52 pm

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:55 am

So you would dispense with the rule of law and human rights?

Letters of marque have always been issued in accordance with law. Confiscated goods are apportioned after adjudication by an Admiralty court.
It is as lawful as sanctions.

There's more to the law than that, but far more seriously, you have failed to address the issue of human rights. You advocate permanent deprivation of assets without trial.

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:00 am

I suspect "if passed" is doing a lot of work there.

It was introduced by a Texas Republican, and of course even if passed there's no guarantee the president would actually use it.

Not clear to me what problem is meant to be solved by outsourcing maritime law enforcement to the private sector?

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:35 am

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:23 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:52 pm

Letters of marque have always been issued in accordance with law. Confiscated goods are apportioned after adjudication by an Admiralty court.
It is as lawful as sanctions.

There's more to the law than that, but far more seriously, you have failed to address the issue of human rights. You advocate permanent deprivation of assets without trial.

There's no human right to be a billionaire. I'm in favour of expropriating all assets over a billion

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:38 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:35 am

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:23 am

There's more to the law than that, but far more seriously, you have failed to address the issue of human rights. You advocate permanent deprivation of assets without trial.

There's no human right to be a billionaire. I'm in favour of expropriating all assets over a billion

But you re advocating something which goes much further than that - that private individuals would be authorised to kill people and take property with no trial and without the victims having broken any law. There have been many examples through history of privatised tax collection, which is merely the latter, and it is associated with corruption, abuses, and injustice. And even if you're so consumed by envy that you're happy for a billionaire to be killed while trying to prevent their property being taken, the method you advocate will result in their staff and innocent bystanders being killed or injured as well.

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 am

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:38 am

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:35 am

There's no human right to be a billionaire. I'm in favour of expropriating all assets over a billion

But you re advocating something which goes much further than that - that private individuals would be authorised to kill people and take property with no trial and without the victims having broken any law. There have been many examples through history of privatised tax collection, which is merely the latter, and it is associated with corruption, abuses, and injustice. And even if you're so consumed by envy that you're happy for a billionaire to be killed while trying to prevent their property being taken, the method you advocate will result in their staff and innocent bystanders being killed or injured as well.

I didn't say they should be killed. I just said their assets should be confiscated.

dyqik wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:15 pm

Herainestold wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 am

Millennie Al wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:38 am

But you re advocating something which goes much further than that - that private individuals would be authorised to kill people and take property with no trial and without the victims having broken any law. There have been many examples through history of privatised tax collection, which is merely the latter, and it is associated with corruption, abuses, and injustice. And even if you're so consumed by envy that you're happy for a billionaire to be killed while trying to prevent their property being taken, the method you advocate will result in their staff and innocent bystanders being killed or injured as well.

I didn't say they should be killed. I just said their assets should be confiscated.

How do you think physical assets get confiscated against wishes of the owner - who is rich enough to employ armed security guards?

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:24 pm

Can't believe "bring back piracy" is getting serious discussion lol

I'd watch that show, though

EACLucifer wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:24 pm

Can't believe "bring back piracy" is getting serious discussion lol

I'd watch that show, though

I mean the UK's signed a treaty not to do this sort of thing, but the US hasn't...any of our American friends on here want to secure a letter of marque so we can go on a cutting out expedition? We shouldn't sell the bear's skin before we have the bird in the bush, but the Russians are sitting there pleased as Pontius Pilate, and there's a great deal to be said for making hay while the iron's hot.

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:27 pm

Another dead Russian rich guy https://twitter.com/billbrowder/status/ ... sJDmgdsOsg

Edited to delete “billionaire” as it’s not clear he was