P & O

[Woodchopper]

They should be registered initially in the country of production then have to travel at least once a year to the country of registration.

Moldova, Mongolia and Bolivia all have an open registry (they are all landlocked).

Moldova has pretty simple ocean access along navigable rivers, with a short jaunt along the Dnister river (when Russia isn't trying to capture it), and the Danube (e.g. from Giurgiulesti International Free Port). I don't know if Bolivia's connection to the Amazon is navigable.

Does Austria have a registry? I imagine that there might be some vessels still afloat that date from when it did have a seaport (see the Sound of Music for details).

Using the Rhine Main Danube canal its possible for ships to navigate all the way from Rotterdam to Vienna, and then down the Danube. Though not very big ships.

[Little waster]

Heard on the news that the plan is to pay the new workers under minimum wage even if hired in this country. I did a search and came across this decade old article.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nuses-tips

Crew on British cruise holidays who are paid a basic salary of as little as 75p an hour face having extra tips from passengers withheld unless they hit performance targets.

The boss of P&O Cruises said the move was part of a package to "make crew more responsive" and offer protection as tips dry up in the economic downturn.

P&O Cruises (now part of Carnival) has been an entirely separate thing from P&O Ferries since 2000 though.

Had a little chuckle to myself when the YT vid I was watching was interrupted by a "P&O Cruises" ad desperately trying to make clear that they definitely aren't "P&O".

I see an imminent rebranding coming.

My suggestion "Putin & Oligarchs' Cruises".

I've not been paying much attention to the news recently but I believe that will have strong cut-through with multiple key demographics. That'll be £100k please.

[Stranger Mouse]

Customers complaining that P & O have not fulfilled their promises for refund

https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1511 ... XY8T3AiqZw

[kerrya1]

Sorry, I may have missed this but one thing that confuses me is where these new agency employees are coming from and where they are living.

Are they all British or EU (or have the correct work visas to live and work in UK or EU) in which case they will have to somehow meet UK/EU cost of living on significantly below minimum wage.

Or, are they foreign workers who will just live on the ferries permanently never setting foot in the countries those ferries serve and therefore don't need rights to live/work in those countries?

[Stranger Mouse]

Sorry, I may have missed this but one thing that confuses me is where these new agency employees are coming from and where they are living.

Are they all British or EU (or have the correct work visas to live and work in UK or EU) in which case they will have to somehow meet UK/EU cost of living on significantly below minimum wage.

Or, are they foreign workers who will just live on the ferries permanently never setting foot in the countries those ferries serve and therefore don't need rights to live/work in those countries?

Non EU workers. They will spend the majority of their time on the ship but I don’t think they are prohibited from visiting the UK while in port but they have no rights as a worker when they do as I understand it.

[kerrya1]

Sorry, I may have missed this but one thing that confuses me is where these new agency employees are coming from and where they are living.

Are they all British or EU (or have the correct work visas to live and work in UK or EU) in which case they will have to somehow meet UK/EU cost of living on significantly below minimum wage.

Or, are they foreign workers who will just live on the ferries permanently never setting foot in the countries those ferries serve and therefore don't need rights to live/work in those countries?

Non EU workers. They will spend the majority of their time on the ship but I don’t think they are prohibited from visiting the UK while in port but they have no rights as a worker when they do as I understand it.

So, they'd have to get tourist visas to exit the port, assuming they come from a country where a visa is required to enter the UK? If not then surely that is a big illegal imigration pathway that this government would be very keen to block, just nip off the ship to visit Kent and don't go back?

[Stranger Mouse]

Sorry, I may have missed this but one thing that confuses me is where these new agency employees are coming from and where they are living.

Are they all British or EU (or have the correct work visas to live and work in UK or EU) in which case they will have to somehow meet UK/EU cost of living on significantly below minimum wage.

Or, are they foreign workers who will just live on the ferries permanently never setting foot in the countries those ferries serve and therefore don't need rights to live/work in those countries?

Non EU workers. They will spend the majority of their time on the ship but I don’t think they are prohibited from visiting the UK while in port but they have no rights as a worker when they do as I understand it.

So, they'd have to get tourist visas to exit the port, assuming they come from a country where a visa is required to enter the UK? If not then surely that is a big illegal imigration pathway that this government would be very keen to block, just nip off the ship to visit Kent and don't go back?

I never thought of that but presumably yes. The reports I’ve read have referred to them spending minimal time in port rather than no time but I haven’t seen it discussed in more detail.

[TimW]

Crew generally are allowed on land while their ship is in. When there are a load of cruise ships in Southampton the town seems full of Filipinos stocking up on chocolate.

[Stranger Mouse]

Crew generally are allowed on land while their ship is in. When there are a load of cruise ships in Southampton the town seems full of Filipinos stocking up on chocolate.

I’m amazed they can afford it unless they plan to resell it.

[Bird on a Fire]

Also there's loads of non-EU countries which don't need tourist visas for short visits. https://visaguide.world/europe/uk-visa/ ... s-uk-visa/