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And Grant Shapps was apparently told what P & O were going to do on 22nd November
https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1506 ... S759AtQcUw
Sorry for the flurry of tweets but this two tweet thread is important. First one he says they knew the law but decided to break it. Second one they say that they couldn’t consult the unions because there is no way the unions would agree.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1506 ... p-Su1PRs0Q
https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1506 ... S759AtQcUw
Sorry for the flurry of tweets but this two tweet thread is important. First one he says they knew the law but decided to break it. Second one they say that they couldn’t consult the unions because there is no way the unions would agree.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1506 ... p-Su1PRs0Q
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That second one - well I guess the union's lawyers will have a field day with that.Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:41 amAnd Grant Shapps was apparently told what P & O were going to do on 22nd November
https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1506 ... S759AtQcUw
Sorry for the flurry of tweets but this two tweet thread is important. First one he says they knew the law but decided to break it. Second one they say that they couldn’t consult the unions because there is no way the unions would agree.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1506 ... p-Su1PRs0Q
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Grant Shapps lot are saying that minutes of 22nd November show that they were told P & O had challenges but there was nothing said about redundancy. No news yet on whether Michael Green was taking the minutes,jimbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:52 pmThat second one - well I guess the union's lawyers will have a field day with that.Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:41 amAnd Grant Shapps was apparently told what P & O were going to do on 22nd November
https://twitter.com/itvjoel/status/1506 ... S759AtQcUw
Sorry for the flurry of tweets but this two tweet thread is important. First one he says they knew the law but decided to break it. Second one they say that they couldn’t consult the unions because there is no way the unions would agree.
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1506 ... p-Su1PRs0Q
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Re: P & O
Well I guess your subsequent post answered Darren Jones's opening question.Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:10 amThey’re getting an absolute kicking today. Jesus. I think they’re tw.ts but I almost feel sorry for them.
Almost.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 42901.html
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ETA thread https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1 ... 6ZQ8o2u3nA
BEIS Committee chair Darren Jones kicks off hearing with P&O chief:
"When I was reading your biography, it seemed pretty light on your experience as a chief executive officer. Are you in this mess because you don’t know what you’re doing, or are you just a shameless criminal?"
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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Where are these replacement workers living?
It seems odd to me that Ferry services workers aren't covered by national employment laws, either on the UK side or on the destination side (e.g. France, Ireland). Why is this so different to Airport staff (who, AIUI, are employed from a base airport subject to national employment rules)?
Seems to me this is a loophole, and one which can and should be closed.
It seems odd to me that Ferry services workers aren't covered by national employment laws, either on the UK side or on the destination side (e.g. France, Ireland). Why is this so different to Airport staff (who, AIUI, are employed from a base airport subject to national employment rules)?
Seems to me this is a loophole, and one which can and should be closed.
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Seems strange to me that a ship exclusively travelling between two ports can be registered in a third country without ever visiting that country.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:31 pmWhere are these replacement workers living?
It seems odd to me that Ferry services workers aren't covered by national employment laws, either on the UK side or on the destination side (e.g. France, Ireland). Why is this so different to Airport staff (who, AIUI, are employed from a base airport subject to national employment rules)?
Seems to me this is a loophole, and one which can and should be closed.
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Isn't that exactly what a 'flag of convenience' means? I didn't know Ferries were using it too though
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Yes, but I can understand it on a cargo ship that might sail anywhere in the world. Ferries could be classed differently fairly easily you would think.science_fox wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:28 pmIsn't that exactly what a 'flag of convenience' means? I didn't know Ferries were using it too though
They should be registered initially in the country of production then have to travel at least once a year to the country of registration.
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Maritime Laws apply. It's all down to The Magna Carta, and the legal person
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Why not simply require them to be flagged with one of the ports they service... ferries between UK and France should be UK or French flagged.Grumble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:41 pmYes, but I can understand it on a cargo ship that might sail anywhere in the world. Ferries could be classed differently fairly easily you would think.
They should be registered initially in the country of production then have to travel at least once a year to the country of registration.
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Yes, for ferries that should be easy, you would think. By forcing all ships to travel to the port/country of registration periodically you would cut out the nonsense of a Dover-Calais ferry being registered in Malta (or wherever it was). I realise the world depends on cheap trade and cheap shipping so I’m sure there would be knock-on effects to this.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:13 pmWhy not simply require them to be flagged with one of the ports they service... ferries between UK and France should be UK or French flagged.Grumble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:41 pmYes, but I can understand it on a cargo ship that might sail anywhere in the world. Ferries could be classed differently fairly easily you would think.
They should be registered initially in the country of production then have to travel at least once a year to the country of registration.
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Moldova has pretty simple ocean access along navigable rivers, with a short jaunt along the Dnister river (when Russia isn't trying to capture it), and the Danube (e.g. from Giurgiulesti International Free Port). I don't know if Bolivia's connection to the Amazon is navigable.
Does Austria have a registry? I imagine that there might be some vessels still afloat that date from when it did have a seaport (see the Sound of Music for details).
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we (the UK and Ireland and France) could make a start by having a law that says all crew members of any ship using a UK port has to be paid UK minimum wage while they're in UK waters. If France had a similar law, Dover-Calais ferry crews would have to be decently paid. etc
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Re: P & O
Heard Grant Shapps on the radio... he considers this a loophole to close.
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Have you considered stupidity as an explanation
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It would be something that would be much easier and more powerful to do if it was an EU law and we were still in the EU. If we aren't in the EU, the French will first consider if there is any way they could take advantage of us. That is their instinct.Lew Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:51 pmwe (the UK and Ireland and France) could make a start by having a law that says all crew members of any ship using a UK port has to be paid UK minimum wage while they're in UK waters. If France had a similar law, Dover-Calais ferry crews would have to be decently paid. etc
More generally, it might be something that could work, given some cooperation from nearby countries, but only really for short distance shipping. Longer distance shipping would just find a convenient way to raise two fingers, there isn't a shortage of ways for them to do that. It would be basically unenforceable on them.
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I'm not. I assume it's just the sort of projection you'd expect from the current UK establishment.
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
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ETA 5/8/20: I've been advised that the result was correct, it was the initial interpretation that needed to be withdrawn
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