Re: Blyatskrieg
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 am
Seeing more and more footage of Ukrainian warplanes conducting operations, but they seem to mostly be armed with unguided rockets. Any chance western aid could cover some JDAMs?
As far as I know JDAMs are only compatible with some US aircraft (eg not with F35s) and not with aircraft produced by European NATO members (eg Eurofighter, Tornado). So I assume that it may be difficult integrating them with Ukranian aircraft.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 amSeeing more and more footage of Ukrainian warplanes conducting operations, but they seem to mostly be armed with unguided rockets. Any chance western aid could cover some JDAMs?
They can reportedly be programmed prior to takeoff.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:57 amAs far as I know JDAMs are only compatible with some US aircraft (eg not with F35s) and not with aircraft produced by European NATO members (eg Eurofighter, Tornado). So I assume that it may be difficult integrating them with Ukranian aircraft.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 amSeeing more and more footage of Ukrainian warplanes conducting operations, but they seem to mostly be armed with unguided rockets. Any chance western aid could cover some JDAMs?
The last isn't very surprising given past actionsKey Takeaways
- Concentrated Russian artillery power paired with likely understrength infantry units remains insufficient to enable Russian advances within Severodonetsk.
- Russian forces continued to prepare to advance on Slovyansk from southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman.
- Russian forces are focusing on strengthening defensive positions along the Southern Axis due to recent successful Ukrainian counterattacks along the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border.
- Successful Ukrainian counterattacks in the Zaporizhia area are forcing Russian forces to rush reinforcements to this weakened sector of the front line.
- Russian forces are likely conducting false-flag artillery attacks against Russian-held territory to dissuade Ukrainian sentiment and encourage the mobilization of proxy forces.
Each of those "Key Takeaways" has a paragraph associated with it.jimbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:29 amhttps://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... nt-june-19
The last isn't very surprising given past actionsKey Takeaways
- Concentrated Russian artillery power paired with likely understrength infantry units remains insufficient to enable Russian advances within Severodonetsk.
- Russian forces continued to prepare to advance on Slovyansk from southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman.
- Russian forces are focusing on strengthening defensive positions along the Southern Axis due to recent successful Ukrainian counterattacks along the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border.
- Successful Ukrainian counterattacks in the Zaporizhia area are forcing Russian forces to rush reinforcements to this weakened sector of the front line.
- Russian forces are likely conducting false-flag artillery attacks against Russian-held territory to dissuade Ukrainian sentiment and encourage the mobilization of proxy forces.
Possibly, but Ukraine has ex-Soviet Uragan and Smerch long range heavy MLRS, Vilkha, a very modern GMLRS upgrade of Smerch which is probably only available in very small numbers, and Tochka-U short range ballistic missiles.sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:16 pmSeveral things (mostly "Russian assets quite a way from the front line exploding") seem to be pointing to the possible arrival of HIMARS and/or M270 systems.
On that note, this is an interesting piece about the logistical challenges of keeping those systems running. As the author says, "Amazon has pre-conditioned people into thinking Ukraine could just order up whatever, and hey, there it is three days later with free shipping!", and IABMCTT.
PzH2000s, Krabs and CAESARs. Frontline modern equipment. The former's arriving now, the latter two have already proven very succesful in service.bjn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:37 pmThe first Panzerhaubitze 2000s have arrived in Ukraine.
Very capable 155mm SP howitzers with a range from 30km to 67km, depending on the type of rounds being fired. Hopefully put to good use very soon.
There's a lot of things exploding well behind the lines at the moment. Ammunition storage in Krasny Luch and Nova Kakhova, and reports of explosions and fire in occupied Skadovsk. These are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head, there are others too, and they are a long way behind the frontline.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:09 amA Ukrainian loitering munition strikes a Russian oil refinery 150km behind the front line.
Looks like a recon UAV converted into a loitering munition, it clearly did quite a bit of damage. To even the odds on the battlefield, Ukraine needs to hit - and is hitting - Russian logistics.
A fair bit of that's been mentioned before, especially the use of artillery to compensate other shortcomings. That, though, is an approach with its own inherent weaknesses, as was shown with the counter-attack in Severodonetsk, which Russians thought they had captured weeks ago. Though ZSU has now finally withdrawn from Severodonetsk, it forced the Russians to fight a grinding urban battle in the largely evacuated city, where artillery could not be brought to bear easily due to the close proximity of the combatants, imposing heavy costs for the capture, and delaying the Russians for a number of weeks.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:56 pmComprehensive summary of the situation: https://twitter.com/ian_matveev/status/ ... UREc23h2Pw
You'll need to use Twiter's translate function as its in Russian.
More Snake Island. Accurate hits with no sign of aircraft attack. Very likely to be M31 rockets fired from M142 HIMARS.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:05 amLooks like they are going for Snake Island again. Ukraine reports striking a Russian ship - a supply ship rather than a surface combatant - with Harpoon missiles nearby. Unlike claims re: Admiral Makarov, there's footage of the hits.
#Ukraine: We finally can visually confirm that US-supplied M142 HIMARS are currently used for strikes deep into Russian-controlled territories - fragments of M31A1 GMLRS unitary rocket were found after a target was hit in Perevalsk, #Luhansk Oblast, 45 km from the front line
And it's damn effective. This is what happened to a Russian ammo dump. Most of the damage will have been done by the ammo in the dump going up, but clearly it was struck accurately enough to set it all off.jimbob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:47 pmhttps://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... xdiEixJA1w
#Ukraine: We finally can visually confirm that US-supplied M142 HIMARS are currently used for strikes deep into Russian-controlled territories - fragments of M31A1 GMLRS unitary rocket were found after a target was hit in Perevalsk, #Luhansk Oblast, 45 km from the front line
Good
nice of Russia to help with this
I wonder if Ukraine will try to get it back... if they could populate it with a few anti-aircraft, and long range anti-shipping missiles and a missile defense system you'd think it would be theirs for keeps.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 amAnd in news probably related to the arrival of HIMARS, the Russians appear to have given up on holding Snake Island.
It would be funny if Romania claimed it.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:12 amI wonder if Ukraine will try to get it back... if they could populate it with a few anti-aircraft, and long range anti-shipping missiles and a missile defense system you'd think it would be theirs for keeps.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 amAnd in news probably related to the arrival of HIMARS, the Russians appear to have given up on holding Snake Island.
But - in any event - keeping Russia off it is a big enough win...
Source here: https://twitter.com/rolandoliphant/stat ... V3jlKjIxTAEACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 amAnd it's damn effective. This is what happened to a Russian ammo dump. Most of the damage will have been done by the ammo in the dump going up, but clearly it was struck accurately enough to set it all off.jimbob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:47 pmhttps://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... xdiEixJA1w
#Ukraine: We finally can visually confirm that US-supplied M142 HIMARS are currently used for strikes deep into Russian-controlled territories - fragments of M31A1 GMLRS unitary rocket were found after a target was hit in Perevalsk, #Luhansk Oblast, 45 km from the front line
Good
nice of Russia to help with this
And in news probably related to the arrival of HIMARS, the Russians appear to have given up on holding Snake Island.
This source states a Ukrainian howitzer: https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/15 ... MCe9bwlA8QWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:13 amSource here: https://twitter.com/rolandoliphant/stat ... V3jlKjIxTAEACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 amAnd it's damn effective. This is what happened to a Russian ammo dump. Most of the damage will have been done by the ammo in the dump going up, but clearly it was struck accurately enough to set it all off.jimbob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:47 pmhttps://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... xdiEixJA1w
Good
nice of Russia to help with this
And in news probably related to the arrival of HIMARS, the Russians appear to have given up on holding Snake Island.
Suggests that the problem was shelling by a French CESAR.
Yes, I wrote my message before I was aware of that detail. 2S22 Bohdana, a very similar concept to CAESAR, but Ukrainian made.Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:16 amThis source states a Ukrainian howitzer: https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/15 ... MCe9bwlA8QWoodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:13 amSource here: https://twitter.com/rolandoliphant/stat ... V3jlKjIxTAEACLucifer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 am
And it's damn effective. This is what happened to a Russian ammo dump. Most of the damage will have been done by the ammo in the dump going up, but clearly it was struck accurately enough to set it all off.
And in news probably related to the arrival of HIMARS, the Russians appear to have given up on holding Snake Island.
Suggests that the problem was shelling by a French CESAR.
This might be a mistranslation/confusion for armoured vehicles in general, as France is apparently sending quite a few of the VAB armoured cars they are retiring, but if accurate, it's a big step. Even if it does really refer to the VABs, the French are stepping up their support, and Macron's rhetoric has become a lot more sensible, possibly a consequence of getting the elections out of the way.Emmanuel Macron, on twitter a few minutes ago wrote:France will deliver swiftly equipment Ukraine needs to defend itself, including 6 more Caesar howitzers and a significant number of tanks. France, the allies and European partners are and will be there.