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Post by Grumble » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:29 am

dyqik wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:40 am
Idiot is now running a Twitter poll on whether to let Trump back on.
If Trump went back on Twitter what would that mean for Truth? Which he has probably put a fair bit of money into. The temptation for Trump would surely be to capitalise on Twitter’s problems not aid the revival
A bit churlish

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Post by lpm » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:28 pm

You know that thing where you click on a US link and it says "not available in Europe"? Is that some data protection thing?

My assumption is Twitter is going to have to be the same. No way can it meet EU laws, so it'll have to go dark for EU users.

The US remnant will be taken over by the banks, then sold off to scum capitalists to become another p.rnography and sex trafficking site.
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Post by dyqik » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:31 pm

lpm wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:28 pm
You know that thing where you click on a US link and it says "not available in Europe"? Is that some data protection thing?

My assumption is Twitter is going to have to be the same. No way can it meet EU laws, so it'll have to go dark for EU users.

The US remnant will be taken over by the banks, then sold off to scum capitalists to become another p.rnography and sex trafficking site.
It's an EU thing. It's to avoid GPDR liability without turning off tracking cookies etc.

Similarly, if you are operating in the US, you must register a DMCA compliance contact person or team to deal with reports of copyright infringement, and pay an annual fee, or you are liable for all the for all the copyright infringement done by your users. You also need to register a point of contact for dealing with child p.rnography.

No one knows if Twitter has anyone looking at the copyright infringement claims any more, and whether they have enough moderators to deal with it.

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Post by Woodchopper » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:47 pm

dyqik wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:31 pm
lpm wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:28 pm
You know that thing where you click on a US link and it says "not available in Europe"? Is that some data protection thing?

My assumption is Twitter is going to have to be the same. No way can it meet EU laws, so it'll have to go dark for EU users.

The US remnant will be taken over by the banks, then sold off to scum capitalists to become another p.rnography and sex trafficking site.
It's an EU thing. It's to avoid GPDR liability without turning off tracking cookies etc.

Similarly, if you are operating in the US, you must register a DMCA compliance contact person or team to deal with reports of copyright infringement, and pay an annual fee, or you are liable for all the for all the copyright infringement done by your users. You also need to register a point of contact for dealing with child p.rnography.

No one knows if Twitter has anyone looking at the copyright infringement claims any more, and whether they have enough moderators to deal with it.
These are serious but for Musk they are probably long-term problems that he doesn’t need to care about today.

If Twitter were to be in breach of EU or US regulations it would take a long time before the company had to pay a fine that Musk would care about. For example, in May 2022 Twitter got fined $150 million by the FTC for breaking the law regarding use of user data. The original complaint dates back to 2010. You can read more here: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/b ... ises-again

Long before it got fined Twitter would either be bankrupt, sold to someone else or a successful company. The latter is least likely but if it happens a fine is just the cost of Musk doing business. The other two are somebody else’s problem.

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Post by Brightonian » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:14 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:47 pm
dyqik wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:31 pm
lpm wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:28 pm
You know that thing where you click on a US link and it says "not available in Europe"? Is that some data protection thing?

My assumption is Twitter is going to have to be the same. No way can it meet EU laws, so it'll have to go dark for EU users.

The US remnant will be taken over by the banks, then sold off to scum capitalists to become another p.rnography and sex trafficking site.
It's an EU thing. It's to avoid GPDR liability without turning off tracking cookies etc.

Similarly, if you are operating in the US, you must register a DMCA compliance contact person or team to deal with reports of copyright infringement, and pay an annual fee, or you are liable for all the for all the copyright infringement done by your users. You also need to register a point of contact for dealing with child p.rnography.

No one knows if Twitter has anyone looking at the copyright infringement claims any more, and whether they have enough moderators to deal with it.
These are serious but for Musk they are probably long-term problems that he doesn’t need to care about today.

If Twitter were to be in breach of EU or US regulations it would take a long time before the company had to pay a fine that Musk would care about. For example, in May 2022 Twitter got fined $150 million by the FTC for breaking the law regarding use of user data. The original complaint dates back to 2010. You can read more here: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/b ... ises-again

Long before it got fined Twitter would either be bankrupt, sold to someone else or a successful company. The latter is least likely but if it happens a fine is just the cost of Musk doing business. The other two are somebody else’s problem.
Hope there's no vast data breach. You see, I've got multiple Twitter accounts, one for everyday use, three for places I live in, one for a place I pretend to live in, two for particular pastimes, one with my real name (I mostly use it to hurl abuse at whisper sweet nothings into the ears of utilities companies etc.), one for a particular medical condition, and so on. And Twitter would know that all my accounts are for one and the same person (I use their app). So if it looks like Twitter's going down, who knows what some embittered ex-employee might do.

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Post by dyqik » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:38 pm

Woodchopper wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:47 pm
dyqik wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:31 pm
lpm wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:28 pm
You know that thing where you click on a US link and it says "not available in Europe"? Is that some data protection thing?

My assumption is Twitter is going to have to be the same. No way can it meet EU laws, so it'll have to go dark for EU users.

The US remnant will be taken over by the banks, then sold off to scum capitalists to become another p.rnography and sex trafficking site.
It's an EU thing. It's to avoid GPDR liability without turning off tracking cookies etc.

Similarly, if you are operating in the US, you must register a DMCA compliance contact person or team to deal with reports of copyright infringement, and pay an annual fee, or you are liable for all the for all the copyright infringement done by your users. You also need to register a point of contact for dealing with child p.rnography.

No one knows if Twitter has anyone looking at the copyright infringement claims any more, and whether they have enough moderators to deal with it.
These are serious but for Musk they are probably long-term problems that he doesn’t need to care about today.

If Twitter were to be in breach of EU or US regulations it would take a long time before the company had to pay a fine that Musk would care about. For example, in May 2022 Twitter got fined $150 million by the FTC for breaking the law regarding use of user data. The original complaint dates back to 2010. You can read more here: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/b ... ises-again

Long before it got fined Twitter would either be bankrupt, sold to someone else or a successful company. The latter is least likely but if it happens a fine is just the cost of Musk doing business. The other two are somebody else’s problem.
Twitter is already under that court ordered consent agreement with the FTC. That comes with potential contempt charges or jail time if required submissions are missed or falsified, and there is personal as well as corporate liability there.

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Post by dyqik » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:11 pm

You can now watch almost all of the Fast and Furious series on Twitter, in 2 minute chunks.

Only the first one has been taken down so far.

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Post by Woodchopper » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:20 am

Blog post on academic reliance on Twitter for communication:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocials ... -platform/

Concludes that:
There are specific functions the sector has come to depend on social media for providing: networking, knowledge exchange, research community. The over reliance on Twitter meant that the intellectual ecosystem myself and others imagined in the early 2010s, built for example around a mix of personal blogs and university hosted group blogs, never came to pass. Instead, we were left with a single point of failure represented by Musk’s Twitter. This is a time for universities, funders, learned societies and publishers to show leadership by supporting, funding and coordinating the transition towards a multifaceted, reliable and fit for purpose social infrastructure for scholarship. If they fail to do this, we are likely to see a disorderly transition as different groups drift across multiple platforms in chaotic and time consuming ways which rapidly chip away at the communicative and collaborative potential which still inheres in digital media.

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Post by lpm » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:51 am

What are the chances Trump can remember his login details? It's been two years.

He's going to have to come back as Woodchopper1 or Backstep.
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Post by Stephanie » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:02 am

he's allegedly said that he's staying on truth social. but we'll see how long that lasts
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Post by Martin Y » Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:35 pm

Stephanie wrote:
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he's allegedly said that he's staying on truth social. but we'll see how long that lasts
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Post by Little waster » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:23 am

lpm wrote:
Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:51 am
What are the chances Trump can remember his login details? It's been two years.

He's going to have to come back as Woodchopper1 or Backstep.
Don't worry it is still "maga2020!"
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Post by Little waster » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:25 am

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Similarly Scrutable doesn’t generate a preposterous income for its billionaire owner that is fundamentally reliant on the drivel we post.
Ha! That's what the mods want you to think.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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Post by Woodchopper » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:54 pm

Read to the end for the edible penis.
Back when I was at SpaceX, Elon was basically a child king. He was an important figurehead who provided the company with the money, power, and PR, but he didn’t have the knowledge or (frankly) maturity to handle day-to-day decision making and everyone knew that. He was surrounded by people whose job was, essentially, to manipulate him into making good decisions.

Managing Elon was a huge part of the company culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.

The funniest example of “stage management” I can remember is this dude on the IT security team. He had a script running in a terminal on one of his monitors that would output random garbage, Matrix-style, so that it always looked like he was doing Important Computer Things to anyone who walked by his desk. Second funniest was all the people I saw playing WoW at their desks after ~5pm, who did it in the office just to give the appearance that they were working late.

People were willing to do that at SpaceX because Elon was giving them the money (and hype) to get into outer space, a mission people cared deeply about. The company also grew with and around Elon. There were layers of management between individual employees and Elon, and those managers were experienced managers of Elon. Again, I cannot stress enough how much of the company culture was oriented around managing this one guy.

Twitter has neither of those things going for it. There is no company culture or internal structure around the problem of managing Elon Musk, and I think for the first time we’re seeing what happens when people actually take that man seriously and at face value. Worse, they’re doing this little experiment after this man has had decades of success at companies that dedicate significant resources to protecting themselves from him, and he’s too narcissistic to realize it.

This post is long so I’ll leave you with my favorite Elon story. One day at work, I got an all hands email telling me that it was Elon’s birthday and there was going to be a mandatory surprise party for him in the cafeteria. Presumably Elon also got this email, but whatever. We all marched down into the cafeteria, dimmed the lights, and waited. Elon was led out by his secretary (who he hadn’t fired yet) and made a big show of being fake surprised and touched that we were there. Then they wheeled out the cake.

OK, so, I want you to imagine the biggest penis cake you’ve ever seen. Like the king of novelty sex cakes. Only it’s frosted white, and the balls have been frosted to look like fire and smoke. This was Elon’s birthday “rocket” cake.

For as long as I live, I will never forget the look on everyone’s face — in that dark room of mostly-male engineers — when he made a wish and cut into the tip.
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Post by dyqik » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:37 pm

On the run FTX owner and Musk have history, with Fried-Bankman backing some of Musk's takeover.

https://www.semafor.com/article/11/22/2 ... ecret-text

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Post by dyqik » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:56 pm

The best part of this whole saga is that Dril was interviewed by the Washington Post. (Twitter link for some background for those that can't read the Post)

https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status ... aN04A&s=19

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Post by Stephanie » Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:11 am

dril gets it, he always does
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Post by bjn » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:22 pm

I just got locked out of Twitter saying suspicious activity. It then did a revalidation thing asking for my phone number, which I’ve never given. Seems to be no other way back onto it, so my tweeting says look to be over.

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Post by temptar » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:29 pm

Ars Technica says Twitter failed to pay a bunch of staff in the UK today.

What is legislation like in the UK? It is like really bad news in Ireland. The state takes a really bad view down to salaries having to be paid in cash if you done messed up a payroll.

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Post by lpm » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:35 pm

It's the VAT bill that carries massive penalties, including jail, if you don't hand over the VAT you've collected on the due date.

Funny how the Ireland laws care about paying humans, UK laws care about paying the government.
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Post by plodder » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:37 pm

lpm wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:35 pm
It's the VAT bill that carries massive penalties, including jail, if you don't hand over the VAT you've collected on the due date.

Funny how the Ireland laws care about paying humans, UK laws care about paying the government.
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Post by temptar » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:43 pm

lpm wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:35 pm
It's the VAT bill that carries massive penalties, including jail, if you don't hand over the VAT you've collected on the due date.

Funny how the Ireland laws care about paying humans, UK laws care about paying the government.
We jailed a guy for importing garlic and labelling it as apples because he didn’t pay the proper tax.

We don’t like it when people try that either.

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Post by Woodchopper » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:49 pm

temptar wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:29 pm
Ars Technica says Twitter failed to pay a bunch of staff in the UK today.

What is legislation like in the UK? It is like really bad news in Ireland. The state takes a really bad view down to salaries having to be paid in cash if you done messed up a payroll.
Looks like some are being paid manually, one at a time.
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Post by EACLucifer » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:57 am

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Seeing more of this sort of thing lately in both directions. Moderation cannot be handled by algorithm alone. I wonder if the latter one was a false positive due to the use of "Shabbos Goy" as an insult antisemites use for gentiles that don't share their antisemitism, but it could also be due to the degree anything visibly Jewish online is mobbed by various bigots.

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Post by jimbob » Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:24 pm

No issues here

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... six-months


Apart from a 98% fatality rate in monkeys

And Elon Musk wanting to put microchips in people's brains.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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