Local Elections 2022

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by wilsontown » Fri May 06, 2022 10:32 am

Woodchopper wrote:
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lpm wrote:
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There's still 2 or 2.5 years to the General Election.

There's time enough to burn remaining Corbynism to the ground and establish a "what we'll do" narrative. Starmer is steadily establishing himself as a personality and as Prime Ministerial material, with qualities that are getting quite deep roots in the electoral perception.

For now it's clearly best to keep slaughtering Johnson, plus allocating blame to all other parts of the Conservatives.
Yes, it takes years for attitudes to change among the general population. That's not to say that Labour just need to sit back and wait. But that people should expect that voters remain upset about things for a long time.

Which will help Labour in the long run, as it'll take the electorate a long time to forget about the current Tory shambles.
The other thing is that, as sure as eggs is eggs, there will be further examples of Tory shambles coming down the track.
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by dyqik » Fri May 06, 2022 10:33 am

TopBadger wrote:
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Seems were about half way through the results and Tories are 20% down on councils.

Key thing is going to be how MP's react... is this going to turn enough of them against PM Dick? It's arguably in Labours interest if he clings on like the turd he is.
What might be best for Labour (but not the country in the short term) is for an attempt to remove him that fails. So that more sh.t comes out from Tories opposed to him.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Tessa K » Fri May 06, 2022 11:51 am

Camden stayed Labour - no surprise. The Tories lost four seats, one to Labour, three to the Libdems. I'm guessing the Libs have benefited from disaffected Tories who would never vote Labour.

Barnet has gone to Labour.

The big surprise was that Westminster went Labour. That's been Tory ever since it started in 1964. That must have pissed off Boris and his mates.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by nekomatic » Fri May 06, 2022 12:42 pm

I did my youthful Labour activism in Tooting and Battersea (Wandsworth) and Maida Vale (Westminster) so to see both Wandsworth and Westminster* turn red is mighty satisfying.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Tessa K » Fri May 06, 2022 12:46 pm

nekomatic wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 12:42 pm
I did my youthful Labour activism in Tooting and Battersea (Wandsworth) and Maida Vale (Westminster) so to see both Wandsworth and Westminster* turn red is mighty satisfying.

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I know it probably won't translate to a General Election result but I'll take whatever good news there is.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by monkey » Fri May 06, 2022 4:11 pm

So as far as I can tell, no one apart from the Greens have done that well in these elections, but the Tories* have done badly.

Does that sound about right?


*And seemingly the DUP, but the results aren't properly in yet.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by jdc » Fri May 06, 2022 4:44 pm

monkey wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:11 pm
So as far as I can tell, no one apart from the Greens have done that well in these elections, but the Tories* have done badly.

Does that sound about right?


*And seemingly the DUP, but the results aren't properly in yet.
LDs have done well. 622 (+175) cllrs in England and 14 councils (+3) and they've gained a few councillors in Scotland & Wales.

Greens have gone from 48-108 in Eng, zero to five in Wales, and 19-34 in Scotland so they've done the best relatively but not absolutely.

Labour's +46 +40 cllrs in Eng looks a bit meh but they are +5 to 58 59 councils.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Tessa K » Fri May 06, 2022 5:06 pm

jdc wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:44 pm
monkey wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:11 pm
So as far as I can tell, no one apart from the Greens have done that well in these elections, but the Tories* have done badly.

Does that sound about right?


*And seemingly the DUP, but the results aren't properly in yet.
LDs have done well. 622 (+175) cllrs in England and 14 councils (+3) and they've gained a few councillors in Scotland & Wales.

Greens have gone from 48-108 in Eng, zero to five in Wales, and 19-34 in Scotland so they've done the best relatively but not absolutely.

Labour's +46 +40 cllrs in Eng looks a bit meh but they are +5 to 58 59 councils.

Must type faster.
From my pov a Labour landslide would be ideal but i'll take any Tory loss to another party.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by jimbob » Fri May 06, 2022 5:09 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:06 pm
jdc wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:44 pm
monkey wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:11 pm
So as far as I can tell, no one apart from the Greens have done that well in these elections, but the Tories* have done badly.

Does that sound about right?


*And seemingly the DUP, but the results aren't properly in yet.
LDs have done well. 622 (+175) cllrs in England and 14 councils (+3) and they've gained a few councillors in Scotland & Wales.

Greens have gone from 48-108 in Eng, zero to five in Wales, and 19-34 in Scotland so they've done the best relatively but not absolutely.

Labour's +46 +40 cllrs in Eng looks a bit meh but they are +5 to 58 59 councils.

Must type faster.
From my pov a Labour landslide would be ideal but i'll take any Tory loss to another party.

Labour are currently up 212, Tories down 341

Mail was saying "Disaster for Tories would be -350, triumph for Labour would be +200

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri May 06, 2022 5:12 pm

Sophy Ridge just said it’s looking like 384 lost seats across the UK
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri May 06, 2022 5:29 pm

Lib Dem hold in Winchester, with the greens gaining their first councillor from the Tories. Pretty happy with that, especially as a former member

The general swing seems to be CUN -> LD. Not sure how much that'd hold in a general, but suggests Starmer might be wise to start thinking about tactics.
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by headshot » Fri May 06, 2022 5:29 pm

Those saying that Labour haven’t done as well as the LDs do realise that there were agreements to not field candidates in LD favoured area - to specifically oust the Tories…don’t they??

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri May 06, 2022 5:38 pm

headshot wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:29 pm
Those saying that Labour haven’t done as well as the LDs do realise that there were agreements to not field candidates in LD favoured area - to specifically oust the Tories…don’t they??
I didn't, thanks. Good idea that seems to have worked.
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri May 06, 2022 6:11 pm

Lewis Goodall reckons Tory losses of 455 across the UK https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu ... ftOzla-Eow
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by jdc » Fri May 06, 2022 6:17 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
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Lewis Goodall reckons Tory losses of 455 across the UK https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu ... ftOzla-Eow
461 now.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by lpm » Fri May 06, 2022 6:44 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:38 pm
headshot wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:29 pm
Those saying that Labour haven’t done as well as the LDs do realise that there were agreements to not field candidates in LD favoured area - to specifically oust the Tories…don’t they??
I didn't, thanks. Good idea that seems to have worked.
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Stranger Mouse » Fri May 06, 2022 7:27 pm

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by IvanV » Sat May 07, 2022 10:57 am

monkey wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 4:11 pm
*And seemingly the DUP [have done badly], but the results aren't properly in yet.
Still waiting but on the basis of partial results, but it looks so.

DUP have lost about a quarter of their first preference votes. Largest gains in first preferences have been to the Alliance and Traditional Unionist Voice. TUV is, as it sounds, a harder-line unionist party than the DUP, normally having only token representation. So it looks like a material proportion of harder-line unionists have been pissed off by the DUP, and chosen to vote for TUV instead. Rather interesting. Thus ensuring that SF wins the FP vote by a much larger margin than previously. Alliance - the non-sectarian party - looks to have gained votes mainly from the relatively moderate UUP and SDLP.

But the final result will depend upon the lower choices, which is why we are still waiting. But the prediction is for SF to overtake the DUP and be the largest party in the assembly, with the right to nominate the First Minister.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sat May 07, 2022 11:25 am

490

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... xcUN5Ph3iA
Last Council result in Wales in, Flintshire, with Lab remaining largest party

Conservatives losing a further 5 councilors, taking total GB losses of council seats to 490.

2 English councils to go - Tower Hamlets and Croydon, with latter not due till tomorrow…
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by IvanV » Sat May 07, 2022 11:50 am

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 11:25 am
2 English councils to go - Tower Hamlets and Croydon, with latter not due till tomorrow…
Two rather dodgy places these days, in terms of their local politics that is.

Lutfur Rahman has been re-elected mayor of Tower Hamlets, after serving out a 5 year ban for electoral fraud and corrupt practices.

Meanwhile Croydon has elected a conservative mayor, by a whisker. Given the extent of the financial disaster in Croydon and police investigations of the current Labour council for corruption, one can understand why Labour isn't flavour of the moment in Croydon just now, to the same degree as other parts of London.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by lpm » Sat May 07, 2022 12:19 pm

Insane how Wales is getting Labourised.

LAB: 526 (+66)
INDs: 316 (+8)
PLC: 202 (-6)
CON: 111 (-86)
LD: 69 (+10)
GRN: 8 (+8)

While Scotland is of course SNP, plus a good chunk of Labour and LibDem.

Real worry for the Union, given the chance of decades of minority Tory rule in Westminster, thanks to the vile English electorate, yet almost no Conservative representation in the other three home nations.
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Brightonian » Sun May 08, 2022 6:24 pm

NOC in Croydon:
34 Labour
32 Tory
2 Green
1 Lib Dem

They've finally finished counting a few minutes ago.

Edit: above are my own calculations, so will probably be wrong.

Edit 2: one seat outstanding because newly elected mayor has to give up his seat.

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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by Stranger Mouse » Sun May 08, 2022 8:06 pm

Final UK results from Lewis Goodall

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu ... KlM784_gOw

FINAL GB COUNCIL ELECTION RESULTS 2022

Councillors

Conservative: -487
Labour: +108
Lib Dem: +223
Green: +87
SNP: +22
Plaid: -6
Independents: +44

Councils

Conservative: -11
Labour: +5
Lib Dem: +3
SNP: +1
Plaid: +3
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by headshot » Sun May 08, 2022 8:36 pm

Huh?

Last time I checked the Guardian on Saturday it said this. Where did Labour lose 156 seats???
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Re: Local Elections 2022

Post by dyqik » Sun May 08, 2022 11:47 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Sun May 08, 2022 8:06 pm
Final UK results from Lewis Goodall

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu ... KlM784_gOw

FINAL GB COUNCIL ELECTION RESULTS 2022

Councillors

Conservative: -487
Labour: +108
Lib Dem: +223
Green: +87
SNP: +22
Plaid: -6
Independents: +44

Councils

Conservative: -11
Labour: +5
Lib Dem: +3
SNP: +1
Plaid: +3
Er, the total individual plusses are even, and the total individual losses are odd.

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