The Invasion of Palestine

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Re: The Invasion of Palestine

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:12 am

EACLucifer wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:31 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am
Human rights lawyer imprisoned for months without trial then deported from East Jerusalem
And attempted murderer only freed because of the 2011 prisoner exchange. You missed out attempted murderer, yet attempted murderer is the key point here.
Is it? The BBC article says he was deported for being a member of an alleged "terrorist organisation", not for being an alleged attempted murderer - do you have a source saying otherwise?

And tbh I'm not enormously convinced that this constitutes objective criminal justice:
Hamouri was arrested on 13 March 2005 at the Qalqilya checkpoint while he was driving home to Ramallah.[13][27] He was ordered to get out of his vehicle by soldiers, blindfolded and handcuffed,[4] and arrested without explanation before being sent for detention in Jerusalem's Moscovia Prison where he was held incommunicado under administrative detention for three months.[13][1] Two hours later Israeli agents ransacked his parents' home in East Jerusalem, seizing his computer's hard disk, and even dismantling the toilet in search of evidence.[13] His parents only learned of the charges laid against him from the newspapers a month later,[13] where it was claimed he had driven past Ovadia's home[26] in January after having purchased arms.[10]

Hamouri was kept in administrative detention for three years and eventually shifted to Gilboa prison near the Syrian frontier, where he learnt Hebrew in order to pursue courses given to prisoners there. No more than two books – one of which had to be of a religious nature – were allowed to detainees.[e]

Hamouri chose as his defense lawyer Leah Tsemel.[28] On 16 February 2008, during a visit to Israel by Bernard Kouchner Hamouri's mother Denise managed to tell him she thought three years detention was more than enough. Kouchner took this as a request for a speedy trial, and two days later, the military prosecutor contacted Tsemel and offered a bargain: a seven year term of imprisonment, rather than fourteen, if he admitted to the facts.[13] The charges were that

That he was a member of a youth cell of the PFLP
That he intended to participate in a plot (against Ovadia).[29]

The evidence for the latter was based on the fact that he was seen by an informer passing in front of Ovadia's home.[29] The material for an indictment in the hands of the prosecution was thin. There was no physical evidence, weapons, intercepted letters, plan or phone taps. The only proof they could introduce consisted of testimonies, later retracted, given by other Palestinians, and Salah's own admission that he had indeed driven past Ovadia's home with a friend, one of the accused.[13] Otherwise, Hamouri maintained he was innocent of the charges laid against him,[18] and dismisses the idea that he and his friends were involved in a 'plot'.[4]

On Tsemel's advice, while protesting his innocence, Hamouri entered into a plea bargaining arrangement before a military tribunal, – a compromise 95% of Palestinian prisoners adopt[29] – admitting culpability in exchange for a 7 year prison sentence in order to avoid a longer term of imprisonment.[28][f] Israeli authorities had also given him the option of either leaving Israel for 10 years[g] or face 7 years in prison, Hamouri preferred incarceration to the prospect of exile.[9][17]
He was freed a only year early, too, so it's not true to say "only freed because of the 2011 prisoner exchange." He would still have been out for 10 years by now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_Hamouri
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Re: The Invasion of Palestine

Post by EACLucifer » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:37 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:12 am
EACLucifer wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:31 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:06 am
Human rights lawyer imprisoned for months without trial then deported from East Jerusalem
And attempted murderer only freed because of the 2011 prisoner exchange. You missed out attempted murderer, yet attempted murderer is the key point here.
Is it?
Yes. Because it's to do with the PFLP ties. You were desperate to claim the guy who tried to murder a rabbi was a human rights lawyer, but the attempted murder's not just a sign of his character - he was arrested and convicted for attempting to murder a rabbi as part of a PFLP cell.

Here's an (archived) link to an article by the PFLP themselves, in which they describe him as a "comrade". I've dug around a little bit, and it seems they use that term for members frequently, but I've not seen it used for fellow travellers. You'll also note that his attitude in that article is not that he didn't do it, but that the rabbi in question deserved it.

And he then went on to work in an organisation whose leadership was filled with other PFLP members, a few of which I listed and you ignored.

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Re: The Invasion of Palestine

Post by EACLucifer » Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:51 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:12 am
The BBC article says he was deported for being a member of an alleged "terrorist organisation"
A more recent PFLP website, by the way, which I'm not linking to for obvious reasons, apparently lists him as one of their members engaged in hunger strike just this september.

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