MonkeyPox in UK

[basementer]

I have no idea if I was vaccinated. I can't tell from the scar because I did so much growing my scar is a thin line about 4cm long.

I can't help singing monkey pox in the uk to the tune of Anarchy in the UK.

My "aunty" (second cousin once removed) caught smallpox, so my parents were strongly motivated to get the kids protected. There was an outbreak in the UK a bit before I started infants' school. Like polio, it was a present threat at that time, so I think that given your folks had you jabbed at all, they probably included it in the schedule.
Context: basementer knows roughly how much older than Tessa K he is.

[Tessa K]

I have no idea if I was vaccinated. I can't tell from the scar because I did so much growing my scar is a thin line about 4cm long.

I can't help singing monkey pox in the uk to the tune of Anarchy in the UK.

My "aunty" (second cousin once removed) caught smallpox, so my parents were strongly motivated to get the kids protected. There was an outbreak in the UK a bit before I started infants' school. Like polio, it was a present threat at that time, so I think that given your folks had you jabbed at all, they probably included it in the schedule.
Context: basementer knows roughly how much older than Tessa K he is.

When did you start school? I had measles and mumps because there was no vaccine yet. What was the one you had on a lump of sugar?

[Bird on a Fire]

I can't help singing monkey pox in the uk to the tune of Anarchy in the UK.

Glad it's not just me! Good title.

[basementer]

I have no idea if I was vaccinated. I can't tell from the scar because I did so much growing my scar is a thin line about 4cm long.

I can't help singing monkey pox in the uk to the tune of Anarchy in the UK.

My "aunty" (second cousin once removed) caught smallpox, so my parents were strongly motivated to get the kids protected. There was an outbreak in the UK a bit before I started infants' school. Like polio, it was a present threat at that time, so I think that given your folks had you jabbed at all, they probably included it in the schedule.
Context: basementer knows roughly how much older than Tessa K he is.

When did you start school? I had measles and mumps because there was no vaccine yet. What was the one you had on a lump of sugar?

1962. Polio was the lump of sugar one IIRC. I caught the whole triad of MMR because as you say the vaccines hadn't been developed. I was vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, polio, smallpox and TB.

[Gfamily]

What was the one you had on a lump of sugar?

Polio IIRC

[Tessa K]

Routine smallpox vaccination ended in 1971 so I may have had it.

[JQH]

I have no idea if I was vaccinated. I can't tell from the scar because I did so much growing my scar is a thin line about 4cm long.

I can't help singing monkey pox in the uk to the tune of Anarchy in the UK.

My "aunty" (second cousin once removed) caught smallpox, so my parents were strongly motivated to get the kids protected. There was an outbreak in the UK a bit before I started infants' school. Like polio, it was a present threat at that time, so I think that given your folks had you jabbed at all, they probably included it in the schedule.
Context: basementer knows roughly how much older than Tessa K he is.

When did you start school? I had measles and mumps because there was no vaccine yet. What was the one you had on a lump of sugar?

Polio

ETA I caught both mumps and measles but not rubella despite there being an outbreak on the late 60s

[bagpuss]

Routine smallpox vaccination ended in 1971 so I may have had it.

I was born in 1970 and I definitely had it - I was lucky enough to be in the relatively short overlap period of smallpox and measles vax - born early enough to get the smallpox job and late enough to get the measles jab.

I caught mumps though, as it was far too early to be vaxed against that, and had already had rubella by the time I got that vaccine.

I also remember the polio sugar cube and also the feeling of betrayal some years later, still in my childhood, when I discovered it hadn't been a treat for being such a good girl with my jabs given at the same time*, but another vaccine. Sneaky bastards.





*I don't know if anyone actually told me that, quite possibly I just assumed it, but certainly no-one told me it was a vaccine.

[Tessa K]

Routine smallpox vaccination ended in 1971 so I may have had it.

I was born in 1970 and I definitely had it - I was lucky enough to be in the relatively short overlap period of smallpox and measles vax - born early enough to get the smallpox job and late enough to get the measles jab.

I caught mumps though, as it was far too early to be vaxed against that, and had already had rubella by the time I got that vaccine.

I also remember the polio sugar cube and also the feeling of betrayal some years later, still in my childhood, when I discovered it hadn't been a treat for being such a good girl with my jabs given at the same time*, but another vaccine. Sneaky bastards.





*I don't know if anyone actually told me that, quite possibly I just assumed it, but certainly no-one told me it was a vaccine.

We were told what it was for. It made a nice change from being stuck with what felt like a blunt needle. I'm not convinced they used a fresh needle for each child.

[lpm]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

[Tessa K]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

It may have started at a sex party but if it does become widespread people will lose interest in that the same way no one really cares where Covid started anymore.

It's not an STI, it's a close proximity virus just like Covid or any other kind of pox.

[jimbob]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

It may have started at a sex party but if it does become widespread people will lose interest in that the same way no one really cares where Covid started anymore.

It's not an STI, it's a close proximity virus just like Covid or any other kind of pox.

The Great Pox? Which, admittedly is bacterial rather than viral.

[lpm]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

It may have started at a sex party but if it does become widespread people will lose interest in that the same way no one really cares where Covid started anymore.

It's not an STI, it's a close proximity virus just like Covid or any other kind of pox.

That presentation is what all the wokes are peddling. But it's so misleading.

It's not a close proximity virus, it's a very close proximity virus. Nothing like Covid. You're not going to catch it on the Tube or a cinema.

Though it doesn't need sexual contact to spread, it needs naked skin against naked skin.

[Tessa K]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

It may have started at a sex party but if it does become widespread people will lose interest in that the same way no one really cares where Covid started anymore.

It's not an STI, it's a close proximity virus just like Covid or any other kind of pox.

That presentation is what all the wokes are peddling. But it's so misleading.

It's not a close proximity virus, it's a very close proximity virus. Nothing like Covid. You're not going to catch it on the Tube or a cinema.

Though it doesn't need sexual contact to spread, it needs naked skin against naked skin.

The kind of contact that people have with their kids. Or adults shaking/holding hands. Or hugging - especially at this time of year with bare arms. Or anywhere people dance together.

It's not woke to say it isn't an STI, it's accurate and as we're going to see a lot of inaccuracy in the media, let's at least get the facts right here. Sex is a vector of transmission but with an STI it's the only vector.

Do we know how long it survives away from the body? Should we consider what we're touching as we did at the start of covid?

[lpm]

Got to have the right balance of risks. Theoretically an unlucky person could catch it dancing with someone. But in the real world there's zero risk of an epidemic spreading that way, it's just too rare an event. The virus is only going to be R>1 via sexual contact, so measures should address that.

Fortunately MSM as a group are well informed on sexual health and have a high engagement with public health organisations.

[Tessa K]

According to the WHO:

face-to-face exposure

direct physical contact, including sexual contact

contact with contaminated materials such as clothing or bedding
...
Large gatherings may represent a conducive environment for the transmission of monkeypox virus as they entail close, prolonged and frequent interactions among people, which in turn can expose attendees to contact with lesions, body fluids, respiratory droplets and contaminated materials.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... 022-DON385

[lpm]

I know why everyone puts "may" and "could" and "possible" into their transmission explanations. They are adding in the rare events to be cautious.

But when they say "close, prolonged and frequent interactions" that's what they really mean.

[Grumble]

The BBC isn't being upfront about what's going on.

Presumably because of the problem that homophobes will brand it a gay disease and blame people accordingly.

But saying stuff like: "Did the same old virus find itself in the right place – like a festival – or group of people where it was able to spread easily?" just spreads unnecessary fear. Before long Herainstold will be flying to Bouvet Island to avoid it.

The "festival" was an arranged international sex orgy, it appears. The "group of people" are MSM meeting up for anonymous fun in saunas. This is a sexual health problem, more than it's a public health problem. It's better to be direct about it.

I’m just trying to work out why it’s spreading among the Mainstream Media

[bob sterman]

CDC says...

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/ ... ssion.html

Human-to-human transmission is thought to occur primarily through large respiratory droplets. Respiratory droplets generally cannot travel more than a few feet, so prolonged face-to-face contact is required. Other human-to-human methods of transmission include direct contact with body fluids or lesion material, and indirect contact with lesion material, such as through contaminated clothing or linens.

[bjn]

Arstechnica has a nice article on monkey pox.

You can catch it through prolonged face to face exposure, not just skin to skin contact, but it is rarer. For example it’s been passed on through aeroplanes travel.

[bob sterman]

Arstechnica has a nice article on monkey pox.

You can catch it through prolonged face to face exposure, not just skin to skin contact, but it is rarer. For example it’s been passed on through aeroplanes travel.

From 2016...

Human Monkeypox: Current State of Knowledge and Implications for the Future
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082047/

Given that transmission can occur via indirect contact with lesion material - a lot of the "hygiene theatre" set up for COVID may suddenly become useful - e.g. wiping away debris from pustules/scabs.

[El Pollo Diablo]

I've split off the discussion of special newspaper words into its own thread.

[Chris Preston]

According to the internet, monkeypox is really just shingles* and is caused by the Astra Zeneca COVID-19 vaccine**.

*Back in 2021 there was a case in Texas. An internet health site "healthiness.com" reported on the case. Not being able to find a photo of monkeypox, the article was illustrated with a photo of shingles lifted from a Queensland Health Web page on shingles.

**Because the vaccine has a chimpanzee adenovirus carrier. Chimpanzees being the same as monkeys.

[Brightonian]

Dr Tedros has declared monkeypox is now a global health emergency. Should we be worried? https://www.bbc.com/news/health-62279436

[bob sterman]

Dr Tedros has declared monkeypox is now a global health emergency. Should we be worried? https://www.bbc.com/news/health-62279436

Well we should be worried because apparently PHEIC (Public Health Emergency of International Concern) is meant to be pronounced like "fake" which gives the tin foil hat brigade yet more to make inane Youtube videos about rather than get vaccinated.