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lpm wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:25 pm

Which is what this scum govt wanted.

temptar wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:02 am

ECHR is not an EU court but if your topclass politicians talk about pulling out of it the EU will be fully aware of how seriously your topclass politicians take the Good Friday Agreement.

temptar wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:02 am

ECHR is not an EU court but if your topclass politicians talk about pulling out of it the EU will be fully aware of how seriously your topclass politicians take the Good Friday Agreement.

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:21 pm

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:16 pm

Fair point, but from a Bayesian analysis...

It would be quite a poor analysis if you based it on your own experience only rather than the publicly available experience and knowledge of other people who have claimed asylum and experts who support them.

I'm not sure what you think I'm saying.

Tessa asked whether refugees would be aware of the likelihood of being sent to Rwanda, with the very valid point that the traffickers are not likely to let them know what the UK's government had in mind for them, and suggested that in fleeing from their original homes they wouldn't have any way of finding that out before ending up on an inflatable.

My point is that it often takes months of travel independently or in groups to get to the channel, and that there's a reasonable amount of information sharing about routes, countries and the rules and systems for claiming asylum in each. As you say, "publicly available experience and knowledge"; it'll get shared.

I think a significant number will know, that's all. I don't know how many it'll deter from making the crossing though.

discovolante wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:06 am

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Lots of knowledge is publicly available but it doesn't mean people have accessed it.

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:24 am

discovolante wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:06 am

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Lots of knowledge is publicly available but it doesn't mean people have accessed it.

I have some experience (not a lot, but some) of helping refugees, and there is a lot of sharing of information.
My Bayesian comment was genuine - in that Tessa had suggested that people being trafficked across the channel would not be aware of the hostile environment and the threat of being sent to Rwanda.

My example that a randomly chosen contact* from the migrant population having a good knowledge of the different systems suggests that this knowledge is at least somewhat present in that population.

* we had no contact with any refugees before we were asked if we could house him.

discovolante wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:07 pm

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:24 am

discovolante wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:06 am

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Lots of knowledge is publicly available but it doesn't mean people have accessed it.

I have some experience (not a lot, but some) of helping refugees, and there is a lot of sharing of information.
My Bayesian comment was genuine - in that Tessa had suggested that people being trafficked across the channel would not be aware of the hostile environment and the threat of being sent to Rwanda.

My example that a randomly chosen contact* from the migrant population having a good knowledge of the different systems suggests that this knowledge is at least somewhat present in that population.

* we had no contact with any refugees before we were asked if we could house him.

So do I, and I also know people who have been disappointed and frustrated at how they have been treated because they expected things to be different.

Tessa K wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:23 pm

discovolante wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:07 pm

Gfamily wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:24 am

I have some experience (not a lot, but some) of helping refugees, and there is a lot of sharing of information.
My Bayesian comment was genuine - in that Tessa had suggested that people being trafficked across the channel would not be aware of the hostile environment and the threat of being sent to Rwanda.

My example that a randomly chosen contact* from the migrant population having a good knowledge of the different systems suggests that this knowledge is at least somewhat present in that population.

* we had no contact with any refugees before we were asked if we could house him.

So do I, and I also know people who have been disappointed and frustrated at how they have been treated because they expected things to be different.

I wonder how long it will take for word to get around the world about where this country is headed.

temptar wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:02 am

ECHR is not an EU court but if your topclass politicians talk about pulling out of it the EU will be fully aware of how seriously your topclass politicians take the Good Friday Agreement.

Stranger Mouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:13 pm

Really good takedown by Yvette Cooper

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/stat ... 6QoarK0LcA

Little waster wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:37 pm

For those who didn’t see it Quentin Letts’ meltdown on GMB was impressive.

Only current YouTube link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynsv24-g2pY

He seemed genuinely affronted that somebody might actually fact-check his b.llsh.t. It just goes to show the firm reasoning behind his support for the policy when the only way he could justify it was by simply making sh.t up.


I suppose the sad thing is it is now newsworthy when a journalist does what really should be considered the bare minimum, in challenging an interviewee on blatantly false claims rather than taking a cowardly “both sides” approach in the name of faux balance.

Little waster wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:07 pm

Johnson (or "Borish" as the typically flakey Gradgrind live feed aptly named him) is to describe "

tom p wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:27 pm

Little waster wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:07 pm

Johnson (or "Borish" as the typically flakey Gradgrind live feed aptly named him) is to describe "

Can't believe they missed the 2nd o

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