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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:54 pm

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I disagree with the argument, with the very idea, that he has an overwhelming mandate from the people, in point of fact he does not, except in the sense of an election result two and a half years ago, but that was then and this is now.
This argument has been posited by both the long Victorian streak of piss, Rees-Mogg and Johnson himself. Rees-Mogg has even described it as a transition to a more 'presidential' style of Prime minister.

This is not how our democracy works. We voted for a local candidate, not Boris. Then the winning side chooses a Prime Minister. We didn't choose him.

The idea of a presidential Prime Minister perhaps fed to him by Mogg, feeds directly into his over inflated sense of self worth and ego, no wonder the deluded idiot thinks he has reason to stay on, even in the face of revolt from his own party.
He probably also erroneously thinks he owns the Tories in the same way that Trump owns the GOP

We’ve just had another resignation- I think it’s 39 now

Meanwhile on the BBC https://twitter.com/oivshina/status/154 ... xWzPub0rFg
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Little waster » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:57 pm

Amusing to see various outlets running with the line that Johnson will commit to hang-on because to leave now would result in "chaos".

Yes because the last 6 months have been an exemplary period of sensible, stable governance and calm understated competence.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:58 pm

Stranger Mouse wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:54 pm
Boustrophedon wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:48 pm
I disagree with the argument, with the very idea, that he has an overwhelming mandate from the people, in point of fact he does not, except in the sense of an election result two and a half years ago, but that was then and this is now.
This argument has been posited by both the long Victorian streak of piss, Rees-Mogg and Johnson himself. Rees-Mogg has even described it as a transition to a more 'presidential' style of Prime minister.

This is not how our democracy works. We voted for a local candidate, not Boris. Then the winning side chooses a Prime Minister. We didn't choose him.

The idea of a presidential Prime Minister perhaps fed to him by Mogg, feeds directly into his over inflated sense of self worth and ego, no wonder the deluded idiot thinks he has reason to stay on, even in the face of revolt from his own party.
He probably also erroneously thinks he owns the Tories in the same way that Trump owns the GOP

We’ve just had another resignation- I think it’s 39 now

Meanwhile on the BBC https://twitter.com/oivshina/status/154 ... xWzPub0rFg
Brandon Lewis seems to have resigned then unresigned.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:59 pm

Little waster wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:57 pm
Amusing to see various outlets running with the line that Johnson will commit to hang-on because to leave now would result in "chaos".

Yes because the last 6 months have been an exemplary period of sensible, stable governance and calm understated competence.
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MORDAUNT: Tory MPs crying, everywhere. Locking themselves in offices to avoid accidentally becoming a minister and-

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Woodchopper » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:00 pm

Reports that he has refused to resign.

Looks like we’re back to the hypotheticals about what happens if the PM evidently doesn’t command the confidence of the House, but refuses to leave 10 Downing Street.

At some point bits of the British state may have to ignore the formal hierarchy. My bet would be the Scottish administration first.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Boustrophedon » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:04 pm

Now we get the proud boys, mmm proud boys, led by a guy with horns marching on Downing Street.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:08 pm

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Now we get the proud boys, mmm proud boys, led by a guy with horns marching on Downing Street.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:20 pm

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Reports that he has refused to resign.

Looks like we’re back to the hypotheticals about what happens if the PM evidently doesn’t command the confidence of the House, but refuses to leave 10 Downing Street.

At some point bits of the British state may have to ignore the formal hierarchy. My bet would be the Scottish administration first.
Did anyone think he'd go willingly? He said he was going to stay to the 2030's and probably believed it
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm

And Gove has been sacked
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Grumble » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:26 pm

jimbob wrote:
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And Gove has been sacked
The snivelling little weasel should have had the courage to resign after his advice to Boris to leave wasn’t taken.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Boustrophedon » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:26 pm

Grumble wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:26 pm
jimbob wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm
And Gove has been sacked
The snivelling little weasel should have had the courage to resign after his advice to Boris to leave wasn’t taken.
Badge of honour being sacked by BlowJo though...
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:50 pm

There is a Downfall parody and it is great

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Re: Boris: What next?

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Trinucleus » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:27 pm

Looking forward to Newsnight

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by WFJ » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:42 pm

Simon Hart another cabinet minister gone.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:44 pm

What!!! Not THE Simon Hart who we'd all heard of???

Thing is, Johnson could have rehabilitated his image over time. Like Theresa May has. Could easily have pushed "I'd have been great if only it hadn't been for damned Covid spoiling my marvellous agenda."
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:49 pm

Ed Agar - I think that’s 44
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by WFJ » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:50 pm

lpm wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:44 pm
What!!! Not THE Simon Hart who we'd all heard of???

Thing is, Johnson could have rehabilitated his image over time. Like Theresa May has. Could easily have pushed "I'd have been great if only it hadn't been for damned Covid spoiling my marvellous agenda."
Yes that one!

He is was a cabinet minister though. Welsh Sec apparently.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:25 pm

My god, Braverman says she's running for leader.

Delusional, the lot of 'em.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:32 pm

lpm wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:25 pm
My god, Braverman says she's running for leader.

Delusional, the lot of 'em.
She cannot even manage to resign beforehand.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Little waster » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:39 pm

lpm wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:25 pm
My god, Braverman says she's running for leader.

Delusional, the lot of 'em.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:18 am

It's a treadmill keeping up with the resignations. Literally dawn till dusk.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by TopBadger » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:20 am

Now 49.

I wonder if he'll be allowed to keep the whip once he's kicked out... new leader could kick him out for bringing the party into disrepute?
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by headshot » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:28 am

TopBadger wrote:
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Now 49.

I wonder if he'll be allowed to keep the whip once he's kicked out... new leader could kick him out for bringing the party into disrepute?
when he’s no longer PM, I reckon he’ll do a full Jobbins-style* mega-flounce and resign as an MP too.

*Retro reference!

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