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Boris: What next?

Post by Aitch » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:48 pm

There's a quite interesting opinion column in today's Observer, by Sonia Purnell, who has known BJ for 30 years.

The last paragraph (well, most of it):
As even people who voted for him with delight and pride now try to deny it, he is no doubt desperately trying to find another gamble with an eye-catching announcement that might buy him more time. Otherwise, he knows too well that there is only one button left in his toybox, the one marked self-destruct. He would rather not go out on a whimper but a very big bang.
Assuming she is right and things don't go well for him at the conference... an early election?
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by TopBadger » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:50 pm

Early election seems to be closer to his style... win and silence his detractors or take everyone down with him.

He would need to call it before being booted out though, can't call one after losing the party already.

One could imagine the 1922 committee giving themselves the option to call another confidence motion within 12 months on the basis of a higher number of letters received... 51% say 😁... then they'd be able to throw out an incumbent without likely needing to go through with the vote and the letters would only be known to the chairman.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by jimbob » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:27 pm

Well if 6 MPs do defect to Labour, that presumably reduces the willing to vote to change the leadership rules of the 1922* Committee



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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Aitch » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:06 am

jimbob wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:27 pm
Well if 6 MPs do defect to Labour, that presumably reduces the willing to vote to change the leadership rules of the 1922* Committee



*My fat fingers initially typed "1933" which seemed apt.
Plus a new 1922 Committee is to be chosen on 13 July and things depends on whether BJ can have it packed with his supporters.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by IvanV » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:48 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:50 pm
Early election seems to be closer to his style... win and silence his detractors or take everyone down with him.

He would need to call it before being booted out though, can't call one after losing the party already.
Although the PMs have said on various occasions, "I have called an election...", who in practical reality made the decision? The cabinet? Or the PM as an individual?

The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 S2(1) says: "The powers relating to the dissolution of Parliament and the calling of a new Parliament that were exercisable by virtue of Her Majesty’s prerogative immediately before the commencement of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 are exercisable again..."

As a 2017 House of Commons briefing paper on Crown Prerogative says, "Prerogative powers are possessed by the Crown (that is, the Government)..." They do not require the consent of the Commons or Lords. But who, in practice, exercises these powers of "the Government"? I read of several cases where a minister made a decision that was seemingly theirs to make, and apply, by prerogative, but the PM overruled them. So it does not seem automatically to devolve on an individual minister. In the curiosity that is our constitutional monarchy, the Queen dissolves parliament "on the advice of Her Ministers". In the illegal prorogation saga, was that poor advice Johnson's individual decision, or a decision of the cabinet to send him out there to misadvise her? These things are not quite clear to me.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by tom p » Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:05 pm

IvanV wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:48 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:50 pm
Early election seems to be closer to his style... win and silence his detractors or take everyone down with him.

He would need to call it before being booted out though, can't call one after losing the party already.
Although the PMs have said on various occasions, "I have called an election...", who in practical reality made the decision? The cabinet? Or the PM as an individual?

The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 S2(1) says: "The powers relating to the dissolution of Parliament and the calling of a new Parliament that were exercisable by virtue of Her Majesty’s prerogative immediately before the commencement of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 are exercisable again..."

As a 2017 House of Commons briefing paper on Crown Prerogative says, "Prerogative powers are possessed by the Crown (that is, the Government)..." They do not require the consent of the Commons or Lords. But who, in practice, exercises these powers of "the Government"? I read of several cases where a minister made a decision that was seemingly theirs to make, and apply, by prerogative, but the PM overruled them. So it does not seem automatically to devolve on an individual minister. In the curiosity that is our constitutional monarchy, the Queen dissolves parliament "on the advice of Her Ministers". In the illegal prorogation saga, was that poor advice Johnson's individual decision, or a decision of the cabinet to send him out there to misadvise her? These things are not quite clear to me.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm

BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
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Jump rats, jump!
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by tenchboy » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:08 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm
BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
Yeah?
Why?
In what way?
What's enhapping?
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:11 pm

Red alert
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm

tenchboy wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:08 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm
BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
Yeah?
Why?
In what way?
What's enhapping?
A knife has been placed into the back of our Great Caesar. A number of additional knives will shortly be joining said knife. The words "Et Tu Jacob et Nadine?" will soon be heard.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by FlammableFlower » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:17 pm

Sunak next

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by lpm » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:17 pm

BOOM 2!!

Terrible news for Labour, but utterly hilarious!
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by tom p » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm
tenchboy wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:08 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm
BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
Yeah?
Why?
In what way?
What's enhapping?
A knife has been placed into the back of our Great Caesar. A number of additional knives will shortly be joining said knife. The words "Et Tu Jacob et Nadine?" will soon be heard.
Hah!
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:18 pm

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by tenchboy » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:19 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm
tenchboy wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:08 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm
BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
Yeah?
Why?
In what way?
What's enhapping?
A knife has been placed into the back of our Great Caesar. A number of additional knives will shortly be joining said knife. The words "Et Tu Jacob et Nadine?" will soon be heard.
Oh.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Little waster » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:24 pm

If after f.cking everything this, of all things, proves the final straw for Johnson*, it will feel like getting Al Capone** on tax evasion. :|




*fully cognisant that the slimy c.nt may still insist on hanging on

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by WFJ » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:33 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm
A knife has been placed into the back of our Great Caesar. A number of additional knives will shortly be joining said knife. The words "Et Tu Jacob et Nadine?" will soon be heard.
Dorries and Rees-Mogg are currently handcuffing themselves and Johnson to the PM's desk while screaming "BINO Traitor!" at anyone who comes near them.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by tenchboy » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:42 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:15 pm
tenchboy wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:08 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:05 pm
BOOM!

Javid strikes first!!!
Yeah?
Why?
In what way?
What's enhapping?
A knife has been placed into the back of our Great Caesar. A number of additional knives will shortly be joining said knife. The words "Et Tu Jacob et Nadine?" will soon be heard.
Ah but this night none will have need of pause,
Till to them their heart returns from coffin nigh,
For none amongst them has a heart to lose,
When blood soaked Boris shall fall and lie.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Opti » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:44 pm

Sssssshhhh. Hear that noise? That's the rest of the world pissing themselves.
Time for a big fat one.

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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Aitch » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:47 pm

Opti wrote:
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:44 pm
Sssssshhhh. Hear that noise? That's the rest of the world pissing themselves.
Apart from Mr Starmer.

If Boris goes, it might make the next election just a little bit harder to win...
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Grumble » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:50 pm

I’m working from home tomorrow. Might just watch PMQs.
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Re: Boris: What next?

Post by Stranger Mouse » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:23 pm

I think Andrew Morrison has resigned but can’t be sure because this is what he tweeted. God save us.
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Post by Gfamily » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:23 pm

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