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Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:00 pm
by jimbob
Liaison Committee footage of Johnson admitting to having met with Lebedev in Italy as Foreign Secretary without minders
https://twitter.com/avaltd/status/1544698284605849605
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:16 pm
by Little waster
lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:39 pm
THEY SHOULD SHOW IT ON TV.
I haven't seen the show
Total Wipeout for a number of years but I assume the course is still intact somewhere. We should combine the two.
First cabinet minister to make it across the Big Red Balls gets to be the new PM, for a week.
This would have the benefit of being 327.2% less ridiculous and humiliating for the Tories then their current shitshow while being exactly as amusing to watch for the rest of us.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:17 pm
by IvanV
There's a kind of who-cares-any-more to these rapidly emerging revelations, that aren't actually of any different level of awfulness from what we generally expect of him.
To actually damage his reputation from its long-standing present level, you'd have to expose that he had secret off-shore accounts full of millions in laundered backhanders, or a locked cellar full of chained sex-slaves, or something like that. Or, since this is Britain, maybe kicking his dog might be enough.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:23 pm
by Little waster
Mr Barclays suspicion of every NHS business case while at the Treasury was perhaps best characterised by his decision to block the start of the vaccination programme in late 2020.
All. The. Big. Calls. Right?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:24 pm
by WFJ
There's apparently a second delegation of loyalist ministers at No 10 urging him to stay on. How many over the obvious two is that likely to number?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:27 pm
by Little waster
WFJ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:24 pm
There's apparently a second delegation of loyalists at No 10 urging him to stay on. How many over the obvious two is that likely to number?
Just think one lucky meteorite strike and we could rid ourselves of most the horriblest c.nts in government.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:34 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
Honestly I want this hooked up to my f.cking veins
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:55 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:16 pm
lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:39 pm
THEY SHOULD SHOW IT ON TV.
I haven't seen the show
Total Wipeout for a number of years but I assume the course is still intact somewhere. We should combine the two.
First cabinet minister to make it across the Big Red Balls gets to be the new PM, for a week.
This would have the benefit of being 327.2% less ridiculous and humiliating for the Tories then their current shitshow while being exactly as amusing to watch for the rest of us.
Big Red Balls is Labour, isn't he?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
by Bird on a Fire
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:15 pm
by dyqik
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:55 pm
Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:16 pm
lpm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:39 pm
THEY SHOULD SHOW IT ON TV.
I haven't seen the show
Total Wipeout for a number of years but I assume the course is still intact somewhere. We should combine the two.
First cabinet minister to make it across the Big Red Balls gets to be the new PM, for a week.
This would have the benefit of being 327.2% less ridiculous and humiliating for the Tories then their current shitshow while being exactly as amusing to watch for the rest of us.
Big
Red Balls is Labour, isn't he?
Easy mistake.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:16 pm
by dyqik
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
It would be terrible if there was an extended Tory civil war before an election. Terrible.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:22 pm
by WFJ
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
A parliamentary confidence vote could happen at any time without any rule changes. It's not likely to happen though.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:32 pm
by dyqik
WFJ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:22 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
A parliamentary confidence vote could happen at any time without any rule changes. It's not likely to happen though.
Right now it's looking like the only option outside of the 1922 committee. The question then becomes "how long do Labour/SNP/Lib Dems want to watch the Tories burn".
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:38 pm
by Opti
I'm transfixed by the live view of Number 10, where Larry the cat keeps having the door opened for him and refusing to go in. Repeatedly.
Fabulous telly.
eta: the cantankerous bugger has just deigned to go in.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:46 pm
by dyqik
Anyone want to guess how long this headline will be trending on Twitter?
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson continues to face more resignations from his government
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:57 pm
by jimbob
I like that one of the trending hashtags is #Clownfall
and John Bull has revisited GoveCthulu
https://twitter.com/garius/status/15446 ... wQJJulpdew
<in the corridor>
GRAYLING: Oh aren't you cute!
MICHAEL FABRICANTS WIGS: <snarling>
GRAYLING: Whose a good little wiggy wiggy!
GOVE: Be CArEFuL. ThEY biTE
GRAYLING: Oh, righto
GOVE: hORRiBLe liTTLe thiNGs. I reGREt cREaTiNG thEM iF i'M hOneST
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:05 pm
by Bird on a Fire
dyqik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:16 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
It would be terrible if there was an extended Tory civil war before an election. Terrible.
What election?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:12 pm
by EACLucifer
Well Iran picked the right day to arrest a deputy ambassador, didn't they?
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:17 pm
by Little waster
Opti wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:38 pm
I'm transfixed by the live view of Number 10, where Larry the cat keeps having the door opened for him and refusing to go in. Repeatedly.
Fabulous telly.
eta: the cantankerous bugger has just deigned to go in.
The irony is there is a camera filming the door from inside Number 10 and it is currently showing Johnson hanging on to the door jamb as some of the burlier Cabinet Ministers are trying to physically remove him ... now they've wrapped him in a tea towel and are feeding him tranquilisers covered in butter ... he's eat the butter and spat the tablet out, cheeky bugger ... now they are squirting him with water ... he doesn't like that ... TBH Carrie really should have had him spayed as now he's just squirting vile liquids up the curtains again from some sort of special gland.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:28 pm
by dyqik
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:05 pm
dyqik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:16 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Not resigning. Not calling an election. 1922 not planning to change the rules on no confidence (but having an election next week).
So he says, anyway.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534
But AFAIAA the only mechanism to remove him is no confidence, and he's got at least a week for that to slip down the agenda.
It would be terrible if there was an extended Tory civil war before an election. Terrible.
What election?
The one that would result if Boris refuses to leave as party leader, can't be ousted, but has lost the confidence of the house. e.g. if 30-45% of Tory MPs oppose him openly, and Labour/SNP decide to support a No Confidence motion in the house.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:28 pm
by nezumi
This is glorious. Someone on reddit has been counting
here but I haven't checked them all.
They've got it at 38 so far inclusive of all resignations, 20 of which are government posts. I should probably feel bad for the state of the country but Johnson needs to go before anything can be fixed.
Best case scenario is mass defections but I'm not that naive.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:35 pm
by Bird on a Fire
dyqik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:28 pm
Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:05 pm
dyqik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:16 pm
It would be terrible if there was an extended Tory civil war before an election. Terrible.
What election?
The one that would result if Boris refuses to leave as party leader, can't be ousted, but has lost the confidence of the house. e.g. if 30-45% of Tory MPs oppose him openly, and Labour/SNP decide to support a No Confidence motion in the house.
So it depends on Tory MPs risking their careers for the good of the country? I'll believe it when I see it
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:39 pm
by lpm
Johnson is making Tory MPs hate him.
He could well lose the next confidence vote 2 to 1. It's no longer remotely competitive.
They all know you can't half kill a PM. The longer it takes to finish him, the more hit points they all lose.
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:40 pm
by Sciolus
John Finnemore has been tweeting this article from the Daily Telegraph:
I tell you that the Prime Minister will still not go early – because it is simply not in his nature.
It is a wonderful and necessary fact of political biology that we never know when our time is up. Long after it is obvious to everyone that we are goners, we continue to believe in our “duty” to hang on, with cuticle-wrenching tenacity, to the perks and privileges of our posts.
We kid ourselves that we must stay because we would be “letting people down” or that there is a “job to be finished”. In reality, we are just terrified of the come-down...
No more outriders, no more adrenaline, no more do-or-die Dispatch Box jousts; no more staring soulfully into the camera, with the little red light on to tell him that he is now going live to every house in the country; no more feeling our pain, no more watching us watching him feel our pain.
Oh no, he thinks: he can’t face that loss. He can’t face that endocrinal cold turkey, and so he postpones...
Read the full thing here (or just read the link to get the punchline).
Re: Boris: What next?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:48 pm
by Boustrophedon
I disagree with the argument, with the very idea, that he has an overwhelming mandate from the people, in point of fact he does not, except in the sense of an election result two and a half years ago, but that was then and this is now.
This argument has been posited by both the long Victorian streak of piss, Rees-Mogg and Johnson himself. Rees-Mogg has even described it as a transition to a more 'presidential' style of Prime minister.
This is not how our democracy works. We voted for a local candidate, not Boris. Then the winning side chooses a Prime Minister. We didn't choose him.
The idea of a presidential Prime Minister perhaps fed to him by Mogg, feeds directly into his over inflated sense of self worth and ego, no wonder the deluded idiot thinks he has reason to stay on, even in the face of revolt from his own party.