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Re: Who's next?

Post by headshot » Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:09 am

lpm wrote:
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Franking will fizzle, roads won't be built, deregulation will be too hard.
I assume they're just stock up on stamps and take stuff to the Post Office, or use an online provider.

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Re: Who's next?

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:20 am

Now that the leadership struggle is concluded, at least for now, we can begin recording the many horrors of the Truss Ministry on the well-balanced and objective thread I've created.
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Re: Who's next?

Post by jimbob » Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:11 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:20 am
Now that the leadership struggle is concluded, at least for now, we can begin recording the many horrors of the Truss Ministry on the well-balanced and objective thread I've created.
Within a short while she'll make May look decisive and charismatic.

So we might as well keep this thread open for the next one.
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Re: Who's next?

Post by dyqik » Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:58 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:20 am
Now that the leadership struggle is concluded, at least for now, we can begin recording the many horrors of the Truss Ministry on the well-balanced and objective thread I've created.
very Fair and Balanced™.

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Re: Who's next?

Post by TimW » Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:44 pm

shpalman wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:07 am
What are they going to make Liz Truss do, invade the Falklands?
It would take something big to distract the population at the moment, I can't see how she'd pull it off.

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Re: Who's next?

Post by Trinucleus » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:25 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
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It's quite a fossil-friendly government
And what's wrong with that?

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Post by jimbob » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:45 am

Trinucleus wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:25 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:50 pm


It's quite a fossil-friendly government
And what's wrong with that?
They should be in-situ or in museums, not Cabinet ministers, especially as it's a carefully-cultivated persona for Rees-Mogg, hiding his radical right-wing authoritarianism behind a laughable facade?
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Re: Who's next?

Post by TopBadger » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm

For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
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Re: Who's next?

Post by Bird on a Fire » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:53 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm
For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
~200k old white guys have
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Re: Who's next?

Post by jimbob » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:58 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm
For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
I did ask a colleague (probably in August) if Truss would be the first PM in our lifetimes who never faced a general election.
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Re: Who's next?

Post by Little waster » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:07 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:53 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm
For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
~200k~81k old white guys have
FTFY
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Re: Who's next?

Post by Little waster » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:08 pm

jimbob wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:58 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm
For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
I did ask a colleague (probably in August) if Truss would be the first PM in our lifetimes who never faced a general election.
As in "to become PM" or as in "before being thrown out"?

As Major, Brown, May and Johnson all took over mid-Parliaments (before going on to face a GE).
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Re: Who's next?

Post by jimbob » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:14 pm

Little waster wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:08 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:58 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm
For all his faults - at least BoJo won a GE before f.cking things up. He had a mandate to be a buffoon because that's what the nation voted for.

No-one has voted for Kami Kwarsi Trussonomics...
I did ask a colleague (probably in August) if Truss would be the first PM in our lifetimes who never faced a general election.
As in "to become PM" or as in "before being thrown out"?

As Major, Brown, May and Johnson all took over mid-Parliaments (before going on to face a GE).
As in neither gaining, holding, nor losing the premiership via a general election.


I cannot remember the last someone both won and lost their premiership via a general election.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Who's next?

Post by Little waster » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm

jimbob wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:14 pm
Little waster wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:08 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:58 pm


I did ask a colleague (probably in August) if Truss would be the first PM in our lifetimes who never faced a general election.
As in "to become PM" or as in "before being thrown out"?

As Major, Brown, May and Johnson all took over mid-Parliaments (before going on to face a GE).
As in neither gaining, holding, nor losing the premiership via a general election.


I cannot remember the last someone both won and lost their premiership via a general election.
I think it was Heath 1970-1974. Except even that ended in a hung parliament.

You're back to Wilson in 1964 for the last time there was a parliament neatly bookended with straight-forward transfers of PM. And even that was actually a concatenated 2 year and 4 year parliaments.

AFAICT you have to go back to 1874 and Disraeli for the last time a PM was appointed after winning a GE, governed for a full Parliament(s) and was deposed in a subsequent GE with a clean transfer of power to the other party.

It's surprisingly not that common. Most PMs either are appointed or resigned mid-Parliament or call an early GE or come out of or go into a Coalition.
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Re: Who's next?

Post by jimbob » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:29 pm

Little waster wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:14 pm
Little waster wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:08 pm


As in "to become PM" or as in "before being thrown out"?

As Major, Brown, May and Johnson all took over mid-Parliaments (before going on to face a GE).
As in neither gaining, holding, nor losing the premiership via a general election.


I cannot remember the last someone both won and lost their premiership via a general election.
I think it was Heath 1970-1974. Except even that ended in a hung parliament.

You're back to Wilson in 1964 for the last time there was a parliament neatly bookended with straight-forward transfers of PM. And even that was actually a concatenated 2 year and 4 year parliaments.

AFAICT you have to go back to 1874 and Disraeli for the last time a PM was appointed after winning a GE, governed for a full Parliament(s) and was deposed in a subsequent GE with a clean transfer of power to the other party.

It's surprisingly not that common. Most PMs either are appointed or resigned mid-Parliament or call an early GE or come out of or go into a Coalition.
I'd say calling a snap election is valid
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Re: Who's next?

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:59 pm

The last PM to have never faced a general election as party leader was Neville Chamberlain. Which is a slightly difficult thing as there wasn't an election for ten years between 1935 and 1945, but still.

Before Chamberlain, it was Arthur Balfour, actually Balfour fought the 1906 and both 1910 elections, so it wasn't him. As far as I can tell, the previous PM to Chamberlain never to have fought an election was George Hamilton-Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen, PM for two years in the 1850s.
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