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raven
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by raven » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:14 am
lpm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:58 pm
Sunak is a terrible candidate. A billionaire during economic agony? A tax dodger?
A non-white leader?
Here's hoping he's a better PM than he was Chancellor. £11bn in unneccessary interest payments wans't it? Underwrote Covid Bounce Back Loans without insisiting on even the most cusory checks to prevent fraud. Ditto with furlough. Eat Out to Help Out. The Green Home Grant cancelled a year early.
Not a perfect record. Good news for Freeports though, that's his pet project.
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by EACLucifer » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:57 am
raven wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:14 am
lpm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:58 pm
Sunak is a terrible candidate. A billionaire during economic agony? A tax dodger?
A non-white leader?
Here's hoping he's a better PM than he was Chancellor. £11bn in unneccessary interest payments wans't it? Underwrote Covid Bounce Back Loans without insisiting on even the most cusory checks to prevent fraud. Ditto with furlough. Eat Out to Help Out. The Green Home Grant cancelled a year early.
Not a perfect record. Good news for Freeports though, that's his pet project.
And a Sinophile at a time people are waking up at last to the appalling behaviour of red China's fascist regime.
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by Tessa K » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 am
"I believe I have much to offer but I am afraid that this is simply not the right time."
This would be a useful line when turning down someone who asks you on a date.
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by Woodchopper » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:49 am
There is one implication of Johnson’s statement.
If he wrote that he hadn’t made 100 nominations then he would have been able to spend the next few years claiming that the obvious choice of the party members had been stitched up by the elites. That would have entailed him undermining Truss’ successor.
By claiming that he could have gone to a vote of the membership but decided not to he’s helped to enhance the legitimacy of the winner.
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by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:05 am
Tessa K wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 am
"I believe I have much to offer but I am afraid that this is simply not the right time."
This would be a useful line when turning down someone who asks you on a date.
TBF if you look even vaguely feminine then there's a strong chance the person asking you on a date will be Boris Johnson.
If truth is many-sided, mendacity is many-tongued
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by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:09 am
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:49 am
There is one implication of Johnson’s statement.
If he wrote that he hadn’t made 100 nominations then he would have been able to spend the next few years claiming that the obvious choice of the party members had been stitched up by the elites. That would have entailed him undermining Truss’ successor.
By claiming that he could have gone to a vote of the membership but decided not to he’s helped to enhance the legitimacy of the winner.
I don't know. I think admitting a failure to reach 100 nominations would simply confirm that the MPs think you're a tw.t. That'd allow a cementing of the damaged reputation, from a historical perspective, and would be a hard condemnation to overcome in a few years' time. As it is, I don't think Johnson will need any help at all undermining Sunak. They hate each other. Johnson will either resign as an MP soon or get booted out through a by-election, and will return to writing his racist columns in the Telegraph, f.cking whoever comes across his path with a pulse, an extra X chromosome and low enough standards to want to get into bed with a panna cotta made flesh.
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by TimW » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:12 am
Notorious liar wrote:And though I have reached out to both Rishi and Penny – because I hoped that we could come together in the national interest – we have sadly not been able to work out a way of doing this.
Bastards refused to stand aside!
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by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:13 am
Oh, I thought that line referred to a sex thing.
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by TimW » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:18 am
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:49 am
By claiming that he could have gone to a vote of the membership but decided not to he’s helped to enhance the legitimacy of the winner.
He could have avoided it being totally unconvincing by presenting his nominations and
then withdrawing.
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by TimW » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:19 am
Tessa K wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 am
This would be a useful line when turning down someone who asks you on a date.
Thanks, that will be v helpful.
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by Woodchopper » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:30 am
El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:09 am
Woodchopper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:49 am
There is one implication of Johnson’s statement.
If he wrote that he hadn’t made 100 nominations then he would have been able to spend the next few years claiming that the obvious choice of the party members had been stitched up by the elites. That would have entailed him undermining Truss’ successor.
By claiming that he could have gone to a vote of the membership but decided not to he’s helped to enhance the legitimacy of the winner.
I don't know. I think admitting a failure to reach 100 nominations would simply confirm that the MPs think you're a tw.t. That'd allow a cementing of the damaged reputation, from a historical perspective, and would be a hard condemnation to overcome in a few years' time. As it is, I don't think Johnson will need any help at all undermining Sunak. They hate each other. Johnson will either resign as an MP soon or get booted out through a by-election, and will return to writing his racist columns in the Telegraph, f.cking whoever comes across his path with a pulse, an extra X chromosome and low enough standards to want to get into bed with a panna cotta made flesh.
I guess there are two ways he could have tried to avoid looking like a tw.t. The one he chose was to claim that he made the grade but decided to step down. The other way would have been to follow Trump's example and claim that he was the rightful winner but was robbed.
I do hope that he leaves politics.
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by sTeamTraen » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:40 am
I think Johnson has learned from his Russian friends the art of the ridiculous excuse that nobody believes, but everybody agrees to listen to and pretend is true. Apparently [citation needed; I read it somewhere after the Salisbury poisoners were filmed saying they made a special visit to see the cathedral] it is a standard thing in Russian culture when you are caught doing somethiing terrible to humiliate yourself with a BS excuse, and then a line is drawn under the matter. Surely nobody seriously believes he had 102 nominations, any more than we believed that his hobby is making models of London buses?
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by Little waster » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:45 am
I also must announce that, after considerable thought, I too will be withdrawing from the Conservative leadership challenge despite also getting over the threshold.
I wish to thank the over 150 Conservative MPs who have privately assured me of their full support. They all however go to a parliament in Canada so you won't know them.
I wish at this point to give my full support to whichever rat-faced sh.t-weasel ultimately becomes PM instead of me and would like to remind them of the importance of embracing, and appointing, Ministers from all branches of the Party including those from the often overlooked "Pisstaking, Not-even-a-member, Random Internet Person" tradition for the Good of the CountryTM.
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by Little waster » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:43 pm
The Telegraph do something typically Orwellian and chuck their pro-Johnson article into the Memory Hole while acting like it never happened.
I only hope nobody thought to archive it
somewhere because that would be embarrassing.
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by dyqik » Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:35 pm
Ok, so who's next up? We should assume that previous occupants aren't going to get in, I guess?
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by philbo » Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:17 pm
If (and that's a big "IF") Boris is still an MP in a bit over a year when the next election approaches, I think there is a non-trivial chance of him staging a rug-pulling exercise if a miracle recovery in Tory support hasn't happened. If Tory MPs are still looking down the barrel of electoral annihilation as the next GE approaches, the whole "only Boris can do it" will get him back in even though everybody knows what a lying c.nt he really is.
What would round off the story to perfection would be if he succeeded in f.cking over Sunak pre-election, having a triumphant bloviating return to No.10, then losing his seat.
(When I say "round off the story" - I'm in the middle of writing a parody of most of Hamilton, started when Boris became PM.. I thought I had an ending when Truss became PM: that kind of worked because Hamilton is closed by another Liz/Eliza, singing about the things she did in the 50 years after Alexander Hamilton died.. but who knows how the hell it'll end now)
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by Grumble » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:38 pm
philbo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:17 pm
If (and that's a big "IF") Boris is still an MP in a bit over a year when the next election approaches, I think there is a non-trivial chance of him staging a rug-pulling exercise if a miracle recovery in Tory support hasn't happened. If Tory MPs are still looking down the barrel of electoral annihilation as the next GE approaches, the whole "only Boris can do it" will get him back in even though everybody knows what a lying c.nt he really is.
What would round off the story to perfection would be if he succeeded in f.cking over Sunak pre-election, having a
triumphant bloviating return to No.10, then losing his seat.
(When I say "round off the story" - I'm in the middle of writing a parody of most of Hamilton, started when Boris became PM.. I thought I had an ending when Truss became PM: that kind of worked because Hamilton is closed by another Liz/Eliza, singing about the things she did in the 50 years after Alexander Hamilton died.. but who knows how the hell it'll end now)
You could always leave it ending with Liz Truss becoming PM and being triumphant at the curtain call. The audience will fill in the rest.
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by Martin_B » Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:46 pm
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:38 pm
philbo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:17 pm
If (and that's a big "IF") Boris is still an MP in a bit over a year when the next election approaches, I think there is a non-trivial chance of him staging a rug-pulling exercise if a miracle recovery in Tory support hasn't happened. If Tory MPs are still looking down the barrel of electoral annihilation as the next GE approaches, the whole "only Boris can do it" will get him back in even though everybody knows what a lying c.nt he really is.
What would round off the story to perfection would be if he succeeded in f.cking over Sunak pre-election, having a
triumphant bloviating return to No.10, then losing his seat.
(When I say "round off the story" - I'm in the middle of writing a parody of most of Hamilton, started when Boris became PM.. I thought I had an ending when Truss became PM: that kind of worked because Hamilton is closed by another Liz/Eliza, singing about the things she did in the 50 years after Alexander Hamilton died.. but who knows how the hell it'll end now)
You could always leave it ending with Liz Truss becoming PM and being triumphant at the curtain call. The audience will fill in the rest.
Or singing about the things she did in the next
50 45 days
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by philbo » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:26 pm
Martin_B wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:46 pm
Grumble wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:38 pm
You could always leave it ending with Liz Truss becoming PM and being triumphant at the curtain call. The audience will fill in the rest.
Or singing about the things she did in the next
50 45 days
..with the ensemble singing "That's still too much" (instead of "It's not enough")? That's pretty much where I am. I was wondering if I'd get to have a Boris charging bullishly back onto the stage and ripping the mike out of her hands. It might still work with a Rishi coming in after a couple of lines of the song, and Boris still trying to get back in on the act but being shunned by everyone else