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Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:28 am
by Little waster
Here's one looking the other way. I'll leave spotting the horrifying eye-sore wind turbine in this one as an exercise for the reader.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:13 pm
by bob sterman
The published stories may be nonsense - but one thing we know for sure is that dirty tricks / skullduggery / backstabbing are par for the course for the Tories. So the specific theories may be wrong - but they are definitely all up to something!!! Particularly Gove.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:54 pm
by TopBadger
Given both Truss and Mourdaunt apparently poll better than Sunak with the membership I figure that whomever grabs that second spot today is our future PM.
Either way - we're f.cked.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
by bob sterman
TopBadger wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:54 pm
Given both Truss and Mourdaunt apparently poll better than Sunak with the membership I figure that whomever grabs that second spot today is our future PM.
Either way - we're f.cked.
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:27 pm
by Little waster
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
Apples .......... [uncomfortable pause] .............. APPLES! .................. *weird smile*.......................... ApPlEs! .......... PEARS!
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:38 pm
by TopBadger
Little waster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:27 pm
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
Apples .......... [uncomfortable pause] .............. APPLES! .................. *weird smile*.......................... ApPlEs! .......... PEARS!
She does pick some weird things to get upset about...
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:02 pm
by TopBadger
In Liz we Truss...
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:13 pm
by Tessa K
Mordor is out. So now we're down to The Gruesome Twosome.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:13 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
Liz Truss
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:20 pm
by Grumble
If you delete your avatar maybe this will all end and we will find it was all a dream?
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:25 pm
by shpalman
shpalman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:07 pm
“Nearly there.”
Rishi Sunak - 118 (up 3)
Penny Mordaunt - 92 (up 10)
Liz Truss - 86 (up 15)
Kemi Badenoch - 59 (up 1)
This runoff devil-take-the-losingest style obviously hasn't done anything to change the order of the candidates or the final result at any point.
Rishi Sunak - 137 (up 19)
Liz Truss - 113 (up 27)
Penny Mordaunt - 105 (up 13)
So this is the first time that the order changed, in case anyone thinks Rishi was propping up Mordaunt until now or maybe Rishi lent some votes to Truss now to eliminate Mordaunt.
If Badenoch's votes would have been distributed to these three in proportion to how they did in the previous round you'd have had Rishi on 142, Mordaunt on 110, and Truss on 103. But it's the previous round which was anomalous, with Rishi only getting 3 more votes out of Tugendhat's 31.
Oh and it turned out that Truss and Mordaunt didn't team up to get rid of Sunak after all. And why would they have?
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:28 pm
by TopBadger
Already being discussed as choice between two 'continuity Boris' candidates...
Truss was described by someone as 'Boris, but without the charisma'
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:33 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
Broadly speaking, we've had (ignoring policy, morals, or impact, and obviously this is all relative and from a general perspective):
- David Cameron - Competent, honorable, likeable
- Theresa May - Halfway competent, honorable, unlikeable
- Boris Johnson - Incompetent, dishonorable, likeable
- Liz Truss - Incompetent, dishonorable, unlikeable
How the f.ck do they do this. On this trend the next Tory leader will be Erdogan.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:38 pm
by IvanV
Why have you so long had such a horrified fascination for her for?
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:45 pm
by El Pollo Diablo
How can anyone not have a horrified fascination for her.
I mean,
look.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:54 pm
by Opti
She at least has a bit of insight. She promised to "hit the ground from day one".
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:09 pm
by EACLucifer
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
TopBadger wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:54 pm
Given both Truss and Mourdaunt apparently poll better than Sunak with the membership I figure that whomever grabs that second spot today is our future PM.
Either way - we're f.cked.
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
I've seen this meme a few times. What's it actually based on? I note this because I've mostly seen it from people like Cummings, who has some pretty awful views re: conflict at present.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:14 pm
by philbo
tom p wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:52 am
LPM's right. Sunak isn't some incredible Machiavellian mastermind.
He's nothing but a spawny a rich boy who is moderately good at maths (hence a job in banking rather than PR like Cameron), who got lucky in marrying a very rich girl. That's why he's insanely wealthy, that's why he's a tory MP ('cos he doesn't need to work, so he can pursue power as a hobby) &, because he's an idiot who believed that Brexit was somehow good for the UK, that's why he was in the cabinet.
To suggest that this adds up to some scheming genius is to fall into the tories' trap of believing their hype. They want you to think that they are rightly the natural power of government and that what you perceive as chaos and rats fighting in a sack is actually 4-d chess being played out by geniuses - it's like god's ineffable plan, and you just can't eff it 'cos you're not effing good enough, so best leave them to run every effing thing.
This
I bet ha'penny Mordred is regretting pulling out of the debate now: I'd have thought the more time Truss had in front of the camera, the better for PM's chances of being PM.
El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:33 pm
Broadly speaking, we've had (ignoring policy, morals, or impact, and obviously this is all relative and from a general perspective):
- David Cameron - Competent, honorable, likeable
- Theresa May - Halfway competent, honorable, unlikeable
- Boris Johnson - Incompetent, dishonorable, likeable
- Liz Truss - Incompetent, dishonorable, unlikeable
How the f.ck do they do this. On this trend the next Tory leader will be Erdogan.
Do they have anyone left to whom the adjective "competent" could honestly & accurately be applied?
Next Tory leader (possibly even before the next election, if Truss ends up making the very best of her abilities) heading down that sinkhole of a path would have to be JRM
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:16 pm
by IvanV
Yes, you gave us a link to that recently. I watched it. It was painful and I don't want to watch it again. It's like cringe comedy - I can't watch Fleabag either.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:17 pm
by Brightonian
TopBadger wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:02 pm
In Liz we Truss...
In Liz we are trussed.
TimW wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:45 pm
I like the way youtube search suggests Liz Truss...pork markets
Had to watch it all the way through, I forgot how horrific it was.
I might refer to her as Pork Markets from now on if she makes it through.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:27 pm
by bob sterman
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:09 pm
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
I've seen this meme a few times. What's it actually based on? I note this because I've mostly seen it from people like Cummings, who has some pretty awful views re: conflict at present.
It's based on her very famous speech in which she ranted about cheese imports, and the dangerous and inflammatory public comments she made that could have unnecessarily escalated the conflict with Russia.
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:11 pm
by EACLucifer
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:27 pm
EACLucifer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:09 pm
bob sterman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:17 pm
Yup. At least with Mordaunt it's just the UK that's f*cked. With Truss it could be global - what with her desire to import less cheese and more RS-28 Sarmats.
I've seen this meme a few times. What's it actually based on? I note this because I've mostly seen it from people like Cummings, who has some pretty awful views re: conflict at present.
It's based on her very famous speech in which she ranted about cheese imports, and the dangerous and inflammatory public comments she made that could have unnecessarily escalated the conflict with Russia.
But what did she actually say?
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:14 pm
by Little waster
El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:33 pm
Broadly speaking, we've had (ignoring policy, morals, or impact, and obviously this is all relative and from a general perspective):
- David Cameron - Competent, honorable, likeable
- Theresa May - Halfway competent, honorable, unlikeable
- Boris Johnson - Incompetent, dishonorable, likeable
- Liz Truss - Incompetent, dishonorable, unlikeable
How the f.ck do they do this. On this trend the next Tory leader will be Erdogan.
It’s like the superpower of Tory PMs to make “the previous one” look not too bad in comparison, going all the way back to Thatcher at least.
Extrapolating from that, I wonder exactly how bad Truss is going to be that at some point in the near future people will begin to miss The Sofa Spaffer.
I’m not sure how, as a society, we would even survive that horrifying prospect.
We are going to have to be wandering around the burnt-out ruins of our cities saying to the other survivors things like “well Johnson might have had his flaws but at least he didn’t order the RN to hit the UK mainland with Trident just because somebody once bought a punnet of French strawberries.”
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:30 pm
by Tessa K
I can't remember, who did Theresa May beat in the final round?
Re: Who's next?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:37 pm
by monkey
Tessa K wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:30 pm
I can't remember, who did Theresa May beat in the final round?
Andrea Leadsom. Didn't go to the membership, cos she withdrew. Gove came 3rd.