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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by IvanV » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm

jimbob wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:35 pm
Nadine Dorries calling for a general election.
Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by monkey » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pm

IvanV wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:35 pm
Nadine Dorries calling for a general election.
Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Or just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by TopBadger » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:47 pm

IvanV wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:35 pm
Nadine Dorries calling for a general election.
Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Perhaps also trying to contrast Boris vs Liz - he won the leadership and got his mandate to be a buffoon. Liz does not have any mandate whatsoever for the damage she's inflicting.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by Grumble » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 pm

monkey wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pm
IvanV wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm
jimbob wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:35 pm
Nadine Dorries calling for a general election.
Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Or just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.
She’s a full on Boris believer and hates Truss
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by jimbob » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:03 pm

Grumble wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 pm
monkey wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pm
IvanV wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:41 pm

Perhaps a realisation that there are advantages to not being in government when unpleasant things are happening unpalatable decisions have to be made, which the government will surely attract some of the blame for.
Or just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.
She’s a full on Boris believer and hates Truss
She also supported Truss as Johnson's anointed successor.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by Grumble » Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:16 pm

jimbob wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:03 pm
Grumble wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:54 pm
monkey wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:46 pm


Or just grumpy that they ousted Boris and wanting to stir things up a bit.
She’s a full on Boris believer and hates Truss
She also supported Truss as Johnson's anointed successor.
Only because Johnson said so, I would be willing to bet, though that would be impossible to prove.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by sTeamTraen » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:29 pm

philbo wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:50 am
plodder wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:00 am
Wow, f.cking hell:

https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/30 ... eal-world/
Paul Goodman used to be my MP (Wycombe, before Steve "Ha-ha-hard man of Brexit" Baker). One of those "nice but utterly ineffectual, small-c-conservative" types where you wonder whether they drained all their charisma in their presentation to the constituency committee.
Gotta give him some credit for using the word "gralloching", though.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by philbo » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:22 am

sTeamTraen wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:29 pm
philbo wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:50 am
plodder wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:00 am
Wow, f.cking hell:

https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/30 ... eal-world/
Paul Goodman used to be my MP (Wycombe, before Steve "Ha-ha-hard man of Brexit" Baker). One of those "nice but utterly ineffectual, small-c-conservative" types where you wonder whether they drained all their charisma in their presentation to the constituency committee.
Gotta give him some credit for using the word "gralloching", though.
:-)

Somewhat appropriate, perhaps, given how many Tory MPs seem to have no guts?

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Post by Gfamily » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:40 am

unnamed Tory MP wrote:"Everyone says she's ideological, she's not ideological. She learns phrases that make her sound ideological but below the surface there is nothing.

"The reason she freezes after a question from the media is
a) she is thinking up a phrase to say that makes her sound ideological and
b) she's furious.
She's like a thesaurus of phrases that make her sound ideological.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by plodder » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:47 am

Oh no, she has an ideology all right.

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by philbo » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:08 am

plodder wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:47 am
Oh no, she has an ideology all right.
"all right"?

Yes, I suppose it kind of is

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Post by plodder » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:18 am

Alt right maybe

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by TopBadger » Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:43 pm

Just seen her interviewed again on Sky - yet another car crash of an interview.

Are Tory MP's really going to allow this to continue for the next two years? Truss is utterly lacking in every conceivable way.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by bjn » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm

Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by headshot » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:13 pm

I’m putting money on Gove making a bid to be c.nt in Chief.

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Post by lpm » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:16 pm

Yep, Gove is already making a play for it.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by jimbob » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:23 pm

bjn wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm
Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
The thing is that it's a rachet..Yes they (and the country) would do better with Truss gone, but once you anger the voters, some are lost without a LOT of effort to regain trust. The Lib Dems are still suffering from the coalition with Cameron, for example.
headshot wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:13 pm
I’m putting money on Gove making a bid to be c.nt in Chief.
lpm wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:16 pm
Yep, Gove is already making a play for it.
That's a given.
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by monkey » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pm

bjn wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm
Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
They don't need to change the rules. They didn't to give Johnson the boot, there was talk of that so they could do a 2nd confidence vote in him*, but they didn't and he is still no longer PM.

They just need to make Truss' ministry unworkable, such as lots of backbenchers rebelling or mass resignations of ministers. They just can't make it too unworkable, otherwise they might accidently end up having an election, which would be Bad For Them.

Agree with the rest. Might not be Sunak, but I bet they do their best to have only one candidate left before it goes to the membership.


*I wasn't sure what the right grammar was here, but I like it this way. Implies something messy happens.

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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:46 pm

Marina Hyde is on fire today. One of her best.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... i-kwarteng
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by jdc » Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:14 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:46 pm
Marina Hyde is on fire today. One of her best.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... i-kwarteng
worth it for that line in paragraph 8: Spoiler:

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Post by dccarm » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:07 am

jdc wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:14 pm
El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:46 pm
Marina Hyde is on fire today. One of her best.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... i-kwarteng
worth it for that line in paragraph 8: Spoiler:
I quite enjoyed the line just before that one - Spoiler:

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by TopBadger » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:07 am

monkey wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pm
Agree with the rest. Might not be Sunak, but I bet they do their best to have only one candidate left before it goes to the membership.
Tom Tugendhat...go full on apology mode "I don't know what came over us" and try to be "blue Labour" for the remaining time to the GE to minimize seat loss.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by TopBadger » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:47 am

Nice protest from Greenpeace in Truss speech...

The speech contents is garbage, no substance... awkward silences, with dull platitudes only well received by her fans inside the echo chamber.
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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by bjn » Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:02 am

monkey wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pm
bjn wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:04 pm
Route forward for the Tories. 1922 Committee rewrites the leadership rules, Truss gets it in the neck, Saint Rishi gets appointed instead. Bounce in the polls because we’ve gone from absolutely f.cking crazy and evil to plain competent evil. Rishi still f.cks the average Brit but stabilises gilts and sterling. They win in 2024 having “learnt their lesson”.
They don't need to change the rules. They didn't to give Johnson the boot, there was talk of that so they could do a 2nd confidence vote in him*, but they didn't and he is still no longer PM.

They just need to make Truss' ministry unworkable, such as lots of backbenchers rebelling or mass resignations of ministers. They just can't make it too unworkable, otherwise they might accidently end up having an election, which would be Bad For Them.

Agree with the rest. Might not be Sunak, but I bet they do their best to have only one candidate left before it goes to the membership.


*I wasn't sure what the right grammar was here, but I like it this way. Implies something messy happens.
AFAIUI They'll need to change the rules to boot her before 12 months and to have the MPs appoint the leader, not the membership. If it goes back to the members it'll be another crazy.

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Re: Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

Post by Little waster » Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:06 am

"And now we go over to former Tory Chief Whip Julian Smith for his calm, considered thoughts on the first few weeks of the Truss administration."
Julian Smith, MP wrote:Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
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