Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

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Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by El Pollo Diablo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:18 am

Scientists have surveyed foetuses and found a marked dislike for kale and a relative fondness for carrots.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... s-research
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Tessa K » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:14 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:05 pm
They're right...
I like kale and I know my mum never ate it and had probably never even heard of it. She did eat a ton of peanuts, to which I am mildly allergic. N=1.

Many kids have to be trained/forced to eat broccoli, also on the bitter side. What this mainly shows is that small kids can be fooled into liking things.

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Gfamily » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:39 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:18 am
Scientists have surveyed foetuses and found a marked dislike for kale and a relative fondness for carrots.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... s-research
Interesting that they're aiming to see whether foetal exposure to kale has any effect on post natal food preferences - though I reckon that the way the researcher says "Hopefully we will see less negative reactions... " is a bit suspect - she may be from 'big greenleaf'
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Tessa K » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:27 pm

Gfamily wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:39 pm
El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:18 am
Scientists have surveyed foetuses and found a marked dislike for kale and a relative fondness for carrots.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... s-research
Interesting that they're aiming to see whether foetal exposure to kale has any effect on post natal food preferences - though I reckon that the way the researcher says "Hopefully we will see less negative reactions... " is a bit suspect - she may be from 'big greenleaf'
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Post by Herainestold » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:37 pm

But she cautioned the pregnant women were not randomised to experimental or control groups, and that prior exposure of the foetuses in the control group to different vegetables – including carrots and kale – was not known.
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Tessa K » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:51 pm

Herainestold wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:37 pm
But she cautioned the pregnant women were not randomised to experimental or control groups, and that prior exposure of the foetuses in the control group to different vegetables – including carrots and kale – was not known.
That is quite a big flaw and not hard to have controlled for

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by IvanV » Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:44 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:05 pm
They're right...
I'm not sure how well defined "kale" is, as other languages split brassicas into different name groups. If you click through "kale" into other languages on Wikipedia, it often shows you an ornamental cabbage, which was fashionable 20 years ago, but not for eating.

The Italians refer to "black cabbage" (cavolo nero), but to the English it is a kind of kale. The northern Portuguese and Galicians grow their grow their "Galician cabbage" (couve-galega, and other names) and use it to make their caldo verde (green soup), but to the English it is a kind of kale. I find these very tasty, at least when processed in these traditional ways. I am not so fond of the curly kale you most often get in British shops, though maybe I haven't found a good way to process it.

I wondered if kale might be a cabbage that comes as individual leaves. But ornamental cabbages, which are apparently kale, form heads rather like a savoy cabbage.

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Allo V Psycho » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:27 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:39 pm
El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:18 am
Scientists have surveyed foetuses and found a marked dislike for kale and a relative fondness for carrots.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... s-research
Interesting that they're aiming to see whether foetal exposure to kale has any effect on post natal food preferences - though I reckon that the way the researcher says "Hopefully we will see less negative reactions... " is a bit suspect - she may be from 'big greenleaf'
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Tessa K » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:56 pm

Allo V Psycho wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:27 pm
Gfamily wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:39 pm


Interesting that they're aiming to see whether foetal exposure to kale has any effect on post natal food preferences - though I reckon that the way the researcher says "Hopefully we will see less negative reactions... " is a bit suspect - she may be from 'big greenleaf'
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It's 'fetuses' people. 'fetuses'
It's also fewer negative reactions

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Gfamily » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:00 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:56 pm
Allo V Psycho wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:27 pm


Big Brassica.
:D
I had a crush on her in Primary 6.

It's 'fetuses' people. 'fetuses'
It's also fewer negative reactions
Could also hope for less negative reactions.
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Grumble » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:16 pm

IvanV wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:44 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:05 pm
They're right...
I'm not sure how well defined "kale" is, as other languages split brassicas into different name groups. If you click through "kale" into other languages on Wikipedia, it often shows you an ornamental cabbage, which was fashionable 20 years ago, but not for eating.

The Italians refer to "black cabbage" (cavolo nero), but to the English it is a kind of kale. The northern Portuguese and Galicians grow their grow their "Galician cabbage" (couve-galega, and other names) and use it to make their caldo verde (green soup), but to the English it is a kind of kale. I find these very tasty, at least when processed in these traditional ways. I am not so fond of the curly kale you most often get in British shops, though maybe I haven't found a good way to process it.

I wondered if kale might be a cabbage that comes as individual leaves. But ornamental cabbages, which are apparently kale, form heads rather like a savoy cabbage.
Aren’t all these brassica one species with the all the variety being down to the cultivar?
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Gfamily » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:34 pm

I keep reading this as "Kate is sh.t... "
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by nekomatic » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:57 pm

IvanV wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:44 pm
The Italians refer to "black cabbage" (cavolo nero), but to the English it is a kind of kale.
In our vegetable shop, which is in England (although not all the staff are from England), cavolo nero and kale are two different things. I quite like the former, the latter is sh.t.
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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by Tessa K » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 am

nekomatic wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:57 pm
IvanV wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:44 pm
The Italians refer to "black cabbage" (cavolo nero), but to the English it is a kind of kale.
In our vegetable shop, which is in England (although not all the staff are from England), cavolo nero and kale are two different things. I quite like the former, the latter is sh.t.
Same in Sainsbury's. I prefer cavalo nero.

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Re: Kale is sh.t, say foetuses

Post by IvanV » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 am

Grumble wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:16 pm
Aren’t all these brassica one species with the all the variety being down to the cultivar?
All the things we are talking about are Brassica olearacea. That covers cabbage, kale, broccoli, cauliflower, sprouts, kohl-rabi, collard greens, etc. Things like radish and turnip are in other species.

In principle, "kale" is the Acephala group of varieties, but there is not agreement over how the groups divide. So some people have collard greens and Galician/Portuguese cabbage in the Acephala group, whereas in other systems those each have their own groups. Cavolo nero is described as "kale", but where that sits in these systems, I don't know.

I can imagine most greengrocers would sell "kale" without acknowledging that other things they sell are "kale" too. Greengrocer's rarely have much skill in apostrophes biological taxonomy.

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