Automatic halfway release of criminals
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Automatic halfway release of criminals
This has come into the public eye a bit recently, with the terrorist murders on London Bridge.
I must admit, I'm a bit confused as to why a lot of (most?) criminals get released halfway through the sentence they get. It seems to be acknowledged by experts as a good thing, but I don't know why. Anyone?
I must admit, I'm a bit confused as to why a lot of (most?) criminals get released halfway through the sentence they get. It seems to be acknowledged by experts as a good thing, but I don't know why. Anyone?
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
They're supposed to be rehabilitated and are still subject to recall for the remainder of their sentence. Of course this requires supervision which costs money ...
What is really boiling my piss is that self-regarding toss-pot Johnson blames Labour for the consequences when he and his shower of spivs have been in charge for a decade and could have changed things if they wanted - bear in mind we've had some pretty authoritarian Home Secretaries in that time. I can only assume they didn't because they regarded early release as a cheap option.
What is really boiling my piss is that self-regarding toss-pot Johnson blames Labour for the consequences when he and his shower of spivs have been in charge for a decade and could have changed things if they wanted - bear in mind we've had some pretty authoritarian Home Secretaries in that time. I can only assume they didn't because they regarded early release as a cheap option.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
plus the prospect of early release (under supervision), parole, whatever help make prisoner behave while inside.
Misbehave and you're in for longer. Simples.
Misbehave and you're in for longer. Simples.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
The Secret Barrister did a really interesting blog post on early release in the context of the London Bridge attack.
The story is quite complicated. It seems that nobody ever intended the current situation. It's the result of a series of decisions, some intended to aid rehabilitation and some to save money.
Well worth 5 minutes to have a read.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/ ... y-release/
The story is quite complicated. It seems that nobody ever intended the current situation. It's the result of a series of decisions, some intended to aid rehabilitation and some to save money.
Well worth 5 minutes to have a read.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/ ... y-release/
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
Was that the blog post which was so good that The Prime Minister... basically copied and pasted [it] into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:12 amThe Secret Barrister did a really interesting blog post on early release in the context of the London Bridge attack.
The story is quite complicated. It seems that nobody ever intended the current situation. It's the result of a series of decisions, some intended to aid rehabilitation and some to save money.
Well worth 5 minutes to have a read.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/ ... y-release/
As the Secret Barrister put it, "weapons grade shithousery".
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
Notably, the PM's twitter feed then plagiarised it and made amendments to make it all the fault of the previous, sorry, previous by 1 or 2 government (you know, the Labour one)Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:12 amThe Secret Barrister did a really interesting blog post on early release in the context of the London Bridge attack.
The story is quite complicated. It seems that nobody ever intended the current situation. It's the result of a series of decisions, some intended to aid rehabilitation and some to save money.
Well worth 5 minutes to have a read.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/ ... y-release/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 02311.html
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
f.ck me, what a shower of c.nts. I wasn't aware of that.
I started working on a joke reply about how the Tories have moved on from cutting the justice system and started pasteing it instead, but it didn't quite work and in any case the whole thing is just hopelessly depressing, so apophasis it is.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
The thing to remember is that Labour Policy is to reverse Conservative policy, Conservative policy is to claim that Conservative policy was the fault of Labour and they will reverse it and then carry on with it once re-elected. Why bother costing up up the public services you're promising when even you don't believe it?Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 amf.ck me, what a shower of c.nts. I wasn't aware of that.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
It would have worked, had it been made.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 amI started working on a joke reply about how the Tories have moved on from cutting the justice system and started pasteing it instead, but it didn't quite work and in any case the whole thing is just hopelessly depressing, so apophasis it is.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
I guess we'll never know for sure.GeenDienst wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:54 amIt would have worked, had it been made.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 amI started working on a joke reply about how the Tories have moved on from cutting the justice system and started pasteing it instead, but it didn't quite work and in any case the whole thing is just hopelessly depressing, so apophasis it is.
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It's all so clear now.P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:01 amThe thing to remember is that Labour Policy is to reverse Conservative policy, Conservative policy is to claim that Conservative policy was the fault of Labour and they will reverse it and then carry on with it once re-elected. Why bother costing up up the public services you're promising when even you don't believe it?
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
They're all Ctrl freaks!Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 amf.ck me, what a shower of c.nts. I wasn't aware of that.
I started working on a joke reply about how the Tories have moved on from cutting the justice system and started pasteing it instead, but it didn't quite work and in any case the whole thing is just hopelessly depressing, so apophasis it is.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
I'm going for this one. And we need loads more prison space if we start keeping 'em in, as Gauke (ex-Tory, ex-Justice Minister) has pointed out recently. GauKe has form for wanting to get rid of short custodial sentences (<6 mo) completely, as alternative use of out-of-slammer sentencing could reduce reoffending. Not that he did it.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
Prison is rubbish. It doesn't rehabilitate people.
Unless there is a strong argument from a public safety perspective all prisoners should be released, especially people who are in for non-violent crimes.
Unless there is a strong argument from a public safety perspective all prisoners should be released, especially people who are in for non-violent crimes.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
One or two programs in the UK penal system have been successful and reduced the costs associated with reoffending. So naturally the "law and order and saving money" party is trying to reduce their use.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:23 pmPrison is rubbish. It doesn't rehabilitate people.
Unless there is a strong argument from a public safety perspective all prisoners should be released, especially people who are in for non-violent crimes.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
and they're A-grade finishing schools for anyone inclined to criminality.
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Re: Automatic halfway release of criminals
Indeed,and I've been told people regularly leave with bigger issues than those they went in with, drug dependency being something many end up with (the idea being: lots of drugs make prisoners more compliant, so there's a degree of turning a blind eye by some of the staff).
If the theory of custody is incapacitation, retribution and rehabilitation it's definitely mostly failing the last, as said, and the other two are trapped in a vicious cycle by the Laura Norder acolytes. It's f.cked, basically.
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