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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by jimbob » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:14 pm

Tessa K wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:02 pm
Anti-woke = anti LGBT, anti diversity, anti lockdown. Common sense = lack of care and respect. So, standard Tory policy then. Pandering to the far right and grumpy old white people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sense-tsar
I did like the observation that maybe he's trying to be seen to be pandering to them without doing anything, so giving that role to someone who probably manages to be useless even by the standards of this government.
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Post by jimbob » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:31 pm

jimbob wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:14 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:02 pm
Anti-woke = anti LGBT, anti diversity, anti lockdown. Common sense = lack of care and respect. So, standard Tory policy then. Pandering to the far right and grumpy old white people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sense-tsar
I did like the observation that maybe he's trying to be seen to be pandering to them without doing anything, so giving that role to someone who probably manages to be useless even by the standards of this government.
Although my thinking is that that is probably just two lots of idiocy cancelling themselves out, although I can see Sunak trying a Baldrick cunning plan.
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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by monkey » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:38 pm

jimbob wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:14 pm
Tessa K wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:02 pm
Anti-woke = anti LGBT, anti diversity, anti lockdown. Common sense = lack of care and respect. So, standard Tory policy then. Pandering to the far right and grumpy old white people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sense-tsar
I did like the observation that maybe he's trying to be seen to be pandering to them without doing anything, so giving that role to someone who probably manages to be useless even by the standards of this government.
Yeah, it's a sop. Much Like when Rees-Mogg was minister for "Brexit opportunities and government efficiency". All he got to do was complain about civil servants and leave insulting notes for people.

Esther McVey will say some horrible stuff, maybe write a report or two, but have no power to change anything.

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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by bjn » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:56 pm

I can get why you might disagree about taxation levels, spending priorities and appropriate regulations. That really is orthogonal to authoritarian c.ntery about marginal groups. For example I know a few erstwhile lefties who are anti-trans and quite socially old fashioned.

However, the Tories have demonstrated that their ideas on how to run the country have just enshitifed the place, so all they have to fall back on is the populist c.ntery. So they are doubling down on it (while given various favours to their mates). Fortunately it looks like the populism isn’t gaining much traction at all. (Well Brexit aside).

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Post by temptar » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:48 pm

You guys need an election.

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Post by discovolante » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:49 pm

You don't say.
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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by jimbob » Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:41 pm

temptar wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:48 pm
You guys need an election.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... dApp_Other

I need to recalibrate my cynicism because I didn't have "passing a law saying Rwanda is safe" on my list of possibilities.

I'm not sure that his "appeal to those who are wavering but want a bit less evil by appointing Cameron" plan will work.

We really need an election.
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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by temptar » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:14 pm

I watched his presser. The comments on Strasbourg were not very edifying.

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Post by JQH » Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:33 am

temptar wrote:
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I just want some entertainment. UK politics is reality free.
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Post by Woodchopper » Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:00 pm

bjn wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:56 pm
I can get why you might disagree about taxation levels, spending priorities and appropriate regulations. That really is orthogonal to authoritarian c.ntery about marginal groups. For example I know a few erstwhile lefties who are anti-trans and quite socially old fashioned.

However, the Tories have demonstrated that their ideas on how to run the country have just enshitifed the place, so all they have to fall back on is the populist c.ntery. So they are doubling down on it (while given various favours to their mates). Fortunately it looks like the populism isn’t gaining much traction at all. (Well Brexit aside).
Assuming they that have given up and expect there to be a Labour landslide then an important motivation for current performative rightwing c.ntery will be future employment opportunities for ministers. Of course there will be the traditional company directorships. But some ministers may well be angling to be paid to be a right wing c.nt in jobs like Mail or Telegraph columnist or GB News presenter.

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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by EACLucifer » Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:16 pm

He doesn't even know how to use a hammer...

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Post by Trinucleus » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:30 pm

So Immigration Minister Jenrick goes, because the small boat situation "is a national emergency". Who knew?

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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 pm

Will we see the Tories be insane enough to go for another leader?
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Post by TopBadger » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:27 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 pm
Will we see the Tories be insane enough to go for another leader?
The next GE isn't until this time next year right? They could easily go through two other leaders in that time... why limit themselves to just one?
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Post by Fishnut » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:43 pm

TopBadger wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:27 pm
El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 pm
Will we see the Tories be insane enough to go for another leader?
The next GE isn't until this time next year right? They could easily go through two other leaders in that time... why limit themselves to just one?
It hasn't been confirmed yet. It has to be by 28 January 2025. Rumblings of May to coincide with local elections but I've also heard talk of Halloween, some time in November and "as late as possible".
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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by IvanV » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:57 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 pm
Will we see the Tories be insane enough to go for another leader?
They don't have to. They could be insane enough to recycle one of their old leaders instead. Isn't there a Bring Back Liz movement?

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Post by FlammableFlower » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:51 pm

There's the perpetual "bring back Boris" a la Nadine Dorries's calls too, but which also seem to pop up every so often in twitter comments from a variety of people (possibly bots).

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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by FlammableFlower » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:52 pm

Fishnut wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:43 pm
TopBadger wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:27 pm
El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 pm
Will we see the Tories be insane enough to go for another leader?
The next GE isn't until this time next year right? They could easily go through two other leaders in that time... why limit themselves to just one?
It hasn't been confirmed yet. It has to be by 28 January 2025. Rumblings of May to coincide with local elections but I've also heard talk of Halloween, some time in November and "as late as possible".
I did wonder if they're trying to hold on as long as possible to allow Labour to shoot itself in the foot, as it so often does.

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Post by headshot » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:54 pm

But that would be contingent on the Tories not shooting themselves in the dick first.

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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by Tessa K » Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:08 pm

headshot wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:54 pm
But that would be contingent on the Tories not shooting themselves in the dick first.
Again.

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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:13 pm

FlammableFlower wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:51 pm
There's the perpetual "bring back Boris" a la Nadine Dorries's calls too, but which also seem to pop up every so often in twitter comments from a variety of people (possibly bots).
The general unhingedness of this particular fount of madness is that little more so, seeing as Fucko the Clown isn't even an MP any more.
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Post by IvanV » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:55 pm

Sunak is not alone in being simultaneously criticised from left and right both for going too far and for not going not far enough on immigration. Say hello to President Macron, who lost an immigration reform bill today, for just the same double reason.

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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by philbo » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:18 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:13 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:51 pm
There's the perpetual "bring back Boris" a la Nadine Dorries's calls too, but which also seem to pop up every so often in twitter comments from a variety of people (possibly bots).
The general unhingedness of this particular fount of madness is that little more so, seeing as Fucko the Clown isn't even an MP any more.
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Re: Rishi Sunak - PM

Post by dyqik » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:40 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:13 pm
FlammableFlower wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:51 pm
There's the perpetual "bring back Boris" a la Nadine Dorries's calls too, but which also seem to pop up every so often in twitter comments from a variety of people (possibly bots).
The general unhingedness of this particular fount of madness is that little more so, seeing as Fucko the Clown isn't even an MP any more.
That's not a complete barrier...

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