Re: Rishi Sunak - PM
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:55 am
Raab has just resigned.
Pretty obviously nudged by Sunak who didn't have the balls to sack him.
A weak PM.
Yes. Raab had said he would resign if the bullying charges were proved. He has pretty much said that the report doesn't prove bullying against him (all but 2 charges dismissed, those 2 have set the bar so low for what bullying is) and didn't resign on reading it yesterday. So the fact that he has resigned this morning suggests that some kind of pressure must have been put. Number 10 sources are apparently insisting that Sunak didn't put pressure on him, which obviously we all believe implicitly. It may of course be that that is technically true - ie Sunak asked someone else to put pressure on Raab.
I'm extremely sorry to hear that and I hope they're getting the right support.
Raab wrote:I am genuinely sorry for any unintended stress or offence that any officials felt, as a result of the pace, standards and challenge that I brought to the Ministry of Justice
People who bring out this sort of sh.t in place of an apology should be beaten savagely with metal rods for the betterment of society.bagpuss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:35 amRaab's apology in his letter is very much of the weaselly "I'm sorry you feel that way about my entirely acceptable, nay noble, behaviour" variety.
Raab wrote:I am genuinely sorry for any unintended stress or offence that any officials felt, as a result of the pace, standards and challenge that I brought to the Ministry of Justice
And then be told "I'm very sorry if you feel any pain as a result of the actions you forced me to take"?EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:47 amPeople who bring out this sort of sh.t in place of an apology should be beaten savagely with metal rods for the betterment of society.bagpuss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:35 amRaab's apology in his letter is very much of the weaselly "I'm sorry you feel that way about my entirely acceptable, nay noble, behaviour" variety.
Raab wrote:I am genuinely sorry for any unintended stress or offence that any officials felt, as a result of the pace, standards and challenge that I brought to the Ministry of Justice
He is said to work a seven-day week, working "assiduously and typically from about 0730 until about 2200, Monday to Thursday. Friday he dedicates to constituency work, and he regularly works on weekends."
I'm reminded of a fellow I knew who did a stint working in Japan, and was assumed to be a hard worker because he fell asleep in the office, and of course one would only do that if working very hard.lpm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:48 amNo wonder these clowns are so incompetent, they are doing macho long hours working instead of being effective leaders.
He is said to work a seven-day week, working "assiduously and typically from about 0730 until about 2200, Monday to Thursday. Friday he dedicates to constituency work, and he regularly works on weekends."
"Just two more lines of coke and I'll get through this. No three. No...four. Four lines of coke and I'll be ON TOP OF THE FVCKING WORLD A$$HOLES!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:52 amI'm reminded of a fellow I knew who did a stint working in Japan, and was assumed to be a hard worker because he fell asleep in the office, and of course one would only do that if working very hard.lpm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:48 amNo wonder these clowns are so incompetent, they are doing macho long hours working instead of being effective leaders.
He is said to work a seven-day week, working "assiduously and typically from about 0730 until about 2200, Monday to Thursday. Friday he dedicates to constituency work, and he regularly works on weekends."
But then self-deluding b.llsh.t is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect from Raab.
ETA: I'd honestly be concerned if I found a general in a war was working those hours routinely. It doesn't leave people effective, and leaves nothing in reserve if they have to step up to meet unexpected challenges.
Indeed.headshot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:51 pm"Just two more lines of coke and I'll get through this. No three. No...four. Four lines of coke and I'll be ON TOP OF THE FVCKING WORLD A$$HOLES!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:52 amI'm reminded of a fellow I knew who did a stint working in Japan, and was assumed to be a hard worker because he fell asleep in the office, and of course one would only do that if working very hard.
But then self-deluding b.llsh.t is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect from Raab.
ETA: I'd honestly be concerned if I found a general in a war was working those hours routinely. It doesn't leave people effective, and leaves nothing in reserve if they have to step up to meet unexpected challenges.
The problem with government departments is that the minister rather than individual civil servants will be publicly criticized and at some point expected to resign if someone in the department has made a mistake. So there is a very strong incentive not to delegate too much and to go through everything. In this sense the job is very different from any other senior position I can think of.EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:37 pmIndeed.headshot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:51 pm"Just two more lines of coke and I'll get through this. No three. No...four. Four lines of coke and I'll be ON TOP OF THE FVCKING WORLD A$$HOLES!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"EACLucifer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:52 am
I'm reminded of a fellow I knew who did a stint working in Japan, and was assumed to be a hard worker because he fell asleep in the office, and of course one would only do that if working very hard.
But then self-deluding b.llsh.t is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect from Raab.
ETA: I'd honestly be concerned if I found a general in a war was working those hours routinely. It doesn't leave people effective, and leaves nothing in reserve if they have to step up to meet unexpected challenges.
In addition, someone working those hours either a) can't communicate well enough to effectively subordinate or b) is too arrogant to trust anyone else with the work. As running a government department requires far more than 168 person hours per week of work, the ability to effectively delegate is right at the top of the list of important skills for the job.
They should have the same rights as anyone else, cos they're employees.
Actually, hang on. During a discussion of Raab’s conduct, Ministry of Justice officials were told by Foreign Office counterparts that “people had died” in the Afghanistan evacuation because of Dom’s refusal to review documents in formats he didn’t like. Maybe we can split the difference and go with “people died, but not these people”?
Does this mean there was intended stress or offence and that he is not genuinely sorry for that?
My company has its own font. God knows how much they paid for it.El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:47 amOn the formats thing, my boss, formerly of HMT and BEIS, told me that in his earlier days in the civil service (during the coalition days, I think), their EDI section advised that for internal reports, it was better to use sans serif fonts for ease of reading for those with sight or reading problems. So they started writing reports in Arial font.
However, the official line came back that Arial is a Labour font and not to be used. Apparently, the tories insist on times new roman for reports, whilst the lib dems favour calibri. Labour like Arial, apparently. No idea if things have changed in the last 10 years or so, but it's the tories, so probably not.
For the avoidance of doubt, it seems the 'formats thing' wasn't just a fuss about what typeface was used; more that he wanted the list of emergency evacuees [rpt: the emergency evacuees] in "a well-presented table to make decisions" (there is a Daily Mail link from 6th Dec 2021 you can probably find).El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:47 amOn the formats thing, my boss, formerly of HMT and BEIS, told me that in his earlier days in the civil service (during the coalition days, I think), their EDI section advised that for internal reports, it was better to use sans serif fonts for ease of reading for those with sight or reading problems. So they started writing reports in Arial font.
However, the official line came back that Arial is a Labour font and not to be used. Apparently, the tories insist on times new roman for reports, whilst the lib dems favour calibri. Labour like Arial, apparently. No idea if things have changed in the last 10 years or so, but it's the tories, so probably not.
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For the avoidance of doubt from my end, I was just backing up the formats thing with a completely ridiculous anecdote about how these idiots think.Gfamily wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:06 pmFor the avoidance of doubt, it seems the 'formats thing' wasn't just a fuss about what typeface was used; more that he wanted the list of emergency evacuees [rpt: the emergency evacuees] in "a well-presented table to make decisions" (there is a Daily Mail link from 6th Dec 2021 you can probably find).El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:47 amOn the formats thing, my boss, formerly of HMT and BEIS, told me that in his earlier days in the civil service (during the coalition days, I think), their EDI section advised that for internal reports, it was better to use sans serif fonts for ease of reading for those with sight or reading problems. So they started writing reports in Arial font.
However, the official line came back that Arial is a Labour font and not to be used. Apparently, the tories insist on times new roman for reports, whilst the lib dems favour calibri. Labour like Arial, apparently. No idea if things have changed in the last 10 years or so, but it's the tories, so probably not.