Scrutable

There's got to be more to the "bullying" complaint than those texts, though: they're petulant, like a whiny little toddler, but hardly bullying (especially when one considers it's the Chief Whip he's talking to.. maybe he's just after her job?)

Seems it's a pattern with Williamson.

He was a whip, if not chief whip (can't remember which) and didn't he keep an actual whip on his desk even afterwards as an oh so subtle reminder?

Oh he is a horrible sh.t who should never hold a position of authority.

On reflection this moves his treatment of the whip from “ shithouse rat bites another shithouse rat in a squabble over a juicy turd” to “if he is like that to power equals, what must he be like to subordinates?”

noggins wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:44 am

Oh he is a horrible sh.t who should never hold a position of authority.

Kinda true for most Conservative parliamentary members?

What did he get knighted for again - services to shithousery?

They're all a bunch of c.nts. I hope they get wiped out to 3rd party status at the next GE.

FlammableFlower wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:22 am

Seems it's a pattern with Williamson.

He was a whip, if not chief whip (can't remember which) and didn't he keep an actual whip on his desk even afterwards as an oh so subtle reminder?

Here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-intrigue

noggins wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:44 am

Oh he is a horrible sh.t who should never hold a position of authority.

On reflection this moves his treatment of the whip from “ shithouse rat bites another shithouse rat in a squabble over a juicy turd” to “if he is like that to power equals, what must he be like to subordinates?”

It's literally his job to coerce people to toe the line. He would only deal with very senior people who frankly ought to be able to put up with strong arming especially as being managed by whips is part of the job description. These same people get paid a bl..dy fortune to run the country and the whinging is just some b.llsh.t backbiting from whatever wing of the Tory party is feeling left out of the spotlight. "Ooh he was rude to me" seems to be the substance here and frankly given the general shitshow we find ourselves in rudeness feels entirely appropriate.

plodder wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:44 pm

noggins wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:44 am

Oh he is a horrible sh.t who should never hold a position of authority.

On reflection this moves his treatment of the whip from “ shithouse rat bites another shithouse rat in a squabble over a juicy turd” to “if he is like that to power equals, what must he be like to subordinates?”

It's literally his job to coerce people to toe the line. He would only deal with very senior people who frankly ought to be able to put up with strong arming especially as being managed by whips is part of the job description. These same people get paid a bl..dy fortune to run the country and the whinging is just some b.llsh.t backbiting from whatever wing of the Tory party is feeling left out of the spotlight. "Ooh he was rude to me" seems to be the substance here and frankly given the general shitshow we find ourselves in rudeness feels entirely appropriate.

He's not a whip any more - he was one for a short while under May (maybe this is his internalized "hostile environment" ). His behaviour does come across as what whips in less, er.. "enlightened" times regularly indulged in: there was always some level of bullying involved, which is why him directing this sort of invective at the Chief Whip seems pretty much par for the course, though usually the other way around. More general bullying of civil servants is (IMO, anyway) considerably more problematic.

Though what he chose to get arsey about is frankly pathetic. Someone with an overdeveloped sense of self-importance, to go with his delusions of adequacy.

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:33 pm

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

That's not how MPs work, though, innit? They've been chosen by "the people" - they have to have done something more that that which would get them fired from any other job, namely:

wiki wrote:

• A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);
• Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;
• A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

..and that doesn't get you kicked out, just means that your constituents get the chance to raise a petition to get you kicked out, which needs 10% of registered voters. And then, if the MP still has the support of their local party, they could conceivably be re-elected at the resulting by-election.

philbo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:33 pm

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

That's not how MPs work, though, innit? They've been chosen by "the people" - they have to have done something more that that which would get them fired from any other job, namely:

wiki wrote:

• A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);
• Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;
• A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

..and that doesn't get you kicked out, just means that your constituents get the chance to raise a petition to get you kicked out, which needs 10% of registered voters. And then, if the MP still has the support of their local party, they could conceivably be re-elected at the resulting by-election.

Rules to sack MPs that were written by MPs are favourable towards MPs not getting sacked shocker.

philbo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:33 pm

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

That's not how MPs work, though, innit? They've been chosen by "the people" - they have to have done something more that that which would get them fired from any other job, namely:

wiki wrote:

• A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);
• Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;
• A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

..and that doesn't get you kicked out, just means that your constituents get the chance to raise a petition to get you kicked out, which needs 10% of registered voters. And then, if the MP still has the support of their local party, they could conceivably be re-elected at the resulting by-election.

But he could be sacked as a minister

Trinucleus wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:16 pm

philbo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:33 pm

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

That's not how MPs work, though, innit? They've been chosen by "the people" - they have to have done something more that that which would get them fired from any other job, namely:

wiki wrote:

• A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);
• Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;
• A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

..and that doesn't get you kicked out, just means that your constituents get the chance to raise a petition to get you kicked out, which needs 10% of registered voters. And then, if the MP still has the support of their local party, they could conceivably be re-elected at the resulting by-election.

But he could be sacked as a minister

Turns out that can can happen.

Trinucleus wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:16 pm

philbo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm

jimbob wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:33 pm

If the behaviour would get him fired if he were a Civil Servant, then he should be fired unless there are highly exceptional reasons why he shouldn't.

That's not how MPs work, though, innit? They've been chosen by "the people" - they have to have done something more that that which would get them fired from any other job, namely:

wiki wrote:

• A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);
• Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;
• A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims.

..and that doesn't get you kicked out, just means that your constituents get the chance to raise a petition to get you kicked out, which needs 10% of registered voters. And then, if the MP still has the support of their local party, they could conceivably be re-elected at the resulting by-election.

But he could be sacked as a minister

Exactly. I was talking about the PM sacking him

He's resigned now, anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... es-scandal

(by that I mean Williamson, not Sunak)

Does it stick in anyone else's gullet that Williamson is being referred to as "Sir Gavin" in most articles?

Knighted for being a friend of Boris

According to gov.uk:

...any case can be considered where there is evidence to suggest that the retention of an honour would bring the honours system into disrepute.

Who fancies a referral to the Forfeiture Committee?

Shouldn't this be in the Who's Next thread?

Blackpool lamp post

Rishi Sunak could possibly lose his seat.

Tories would lose 24 Yorkshire seats – including Sunak’s – if election held tomorrow, poll shows
The Conservatives would lose all but one of their seats in Yorkshire if an election were held tomorrow, a major new poll has found.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/po ... ws-4048815

Unfortunately I can't get round the paywall, but here's a picture of the article.
https://twitter.com/politicsastar/statu ... 25025?s=20

https://12ft.io is normally your friend for newspaper paywalls

Woodchopper wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:56 pm

Rishi Sunak could possibly lose his seat.

Tories would lose 24 Yorkshire seats – including Sunak’s – if election held tomorrow, poll shows
The Conservatives would lose all but one of their seats in Yorkshire if an election were held tomorrow, a major new poll has found.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/po ... ws-4048815

Unfortunately I can't get round the paywall, but here's a picture of the article.
https://twitter.com/politicsastar/statu ... 25025?s=20

Richmond is one of the most Conservative seats in Yorkshire, and indeed the whole country. It has been a Conservative seat continuously since 1910, when the world was very different. If the Conservatives lose Richmond, alongside many similar seats, rather than a local exception, that would be an indicator of a major sea-change in British politics. Interesting to learn the poll predicts Labour would take all these seats - I would have expected the Liberals to be the main opponent in rural seats like Richmond.

Often celebrity candidates do better than you would expect, and PMs are always celebrities. The article makes an anecdotal case for him having infamy rather than celebrity, and so potentially doing worse than you would expect. Hard to know which is more likely to be more important.

Scarborough & Whitby went from Tory to Labour in 1997.

This is notable for being in the Express.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/he ... =operanews

Unfair benefit assessment claiming someone is fit to work (manual work even though he uses an electric wheelchair and can't leave his home without help.

Someone has pointed out that if you are kidnapped and brought to the UK, Sunak is explicitly saying that you won't have the UK modern slavery protection.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1 ... 47072?s=20

Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak

United Kingdom government official
If you come to the UK illegally:

You can’t claim asylum

You can’t benefit from our modern slavery protections

You can’t make spurious human rights claims

You can’t stay

They’ve got 12-14 months left…max.

They’re going to try anything to try to win votes.

This is just culture war desperation.

c.nts.

How many people will say "I was planning to become a slave in Britain but this changes everything"?