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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:41 am

So, Kanye West went full crazy and is now seeing some consequences.

I'm absolutely fascinated by what happened to him that he became a white supremacist.
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Post by EACLucifer » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:48 am

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:41 am
So, Kanye West went full crazy and is now seeing some consequences.

I'm absolutely fascinated by what happened to him that he became a white supremacist.
Some of his rantings seemed Black Hebrew Israelites influenced, an organisation that might slip under your radar if you only look at white supremacy as a root of racism and antisemitism. They are a deeply weird and deeply dangerous cult. Unfortunately, I've seen mainstream commentators refer to them as "black activists" or "black community activists" and similar, leading people to conflate them with groups like Black Lives Matter, which is a colossal slur against the latter sort of activist.

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Post by El Pollo Diablo » Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:34 am

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Post by EACLucifer » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:17 pm

El Pollo Diablo wrote:
Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:34 am
Lol.
He - and other antisemites - are going to use this to claim that he was right, and that Jews really do have disproportionate power :roll:

It's a very standard thing in antisemitism, sadly.

1) Perpetrate antisemitism
2) Encounter consequences*
3) Cite consequences as proof of conspiratorial antisemitic worldview.


*Bear in mind for many antisemites this never progresses past point 1.

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Post by EACLucifer » Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:14 pm

The antisemites are loving this. Right down to spraypainting swastikas and "Kanye was rite" on Jewish headstones in Chicago.

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Post by monkey » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:21 pm

There's been a lot going on since the last post, but it's got worse, it can always get worse.

He's been on Alex Jones's show - clicky to twitter thread following it

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Post by EACLucifer » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:55 pm

Also hanging around with Nick Fuentes, a smirking little sh.t of a far-right holocaust denier, and Trump.

Meanwhile lots of "Kanye was right" sh.t from the antisemites. That and large groups of Black Hebrew Israelite cultists marching and chanting their support of him. When did those f.ckers get so many members? I haven't really got the time to properly rant about the dangers of supercessionism, but they really do exemplify them. And a lot of idiots dismiss the risk because they claim the only threat is from the far right, ignoring that a) a lot of antisemitism comes from and has always come from the left b) the Black Hebrew Israelite cult inspired a mass shooting in a kosher supermarket and c) if you ignored the fact they specifically appeal to black men, they look much like any (other) far right group.

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Post by headshot » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:02 pm

How is Alex Jones still able to broadcast?!

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Post by Grumble » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:06 pm

headshot wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:02 pm
How is Alex Jones still able to broadcast?!
Because they haven’t actually got the money off him yet.
A bit churlish

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Post by dyqik » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 pm

Ye is also allowing Fuentes and Jones to use his Twitter account, and has also tweeted along the lines of "The Jewish media want to make you think that Hitler didn't have any good ideas".

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Post by bjn » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 pm

dyqik wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 pm
Ye is also allowing Fuentes and Jones to use his Twitter account, and has also tweeted along the lines of "The Jewish media want to make you think that Hitler didn't have any good ideas".
I'm guessing that Ye's not talking about Hitler's ideas of dogs being nice pets and the utility of autobahns.

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Post by dyqik » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:16 pm

bjn wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 pm
dyqik wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 pm
Ye is also allowing Fuentes and Jones to use his Twitter account, and has also tweeted along the lines of "The Jewish media want to make you think that Hitler didn't have any good ideas".
I'm guessing that Ye's not talking about Hitler's ideas of dogs being nice pets and the utility of autobahns.
Those don't sound like particularly original ideas...

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Post by monkey » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:32 pm

bjn wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 pm
dyqik wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 pm
Ye is also allowing Fuentes and Jones to use his Twitter account, and has also tweeted along the lines of "The Jewish media want to make you think that Hitler didn't have any good ideas".
I'm guessing that Ye's not talking about Hitler's ideas of dogs being nice pets and the utility of autobahns.
He did mention the motorways -
“I see good things about Hitler also” said Ye, who wore a full face mask throughout the interview. “I love everyone. Jewish people are not going to tell me you can love us, and you can love what we’re doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we’re pushing with the p.rnography. But this guy that invented highways, invented the very microphone that I use as a musician, you can’t say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I’m done with that.”
Quote from here - clicky

(I hadn't heard the inventing the microphone one before)

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Post by dyqik » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:39 pm

I'm willing to bet that Hitler himself did not invent a microphone.

And that Ye uses a condenser mic, invented at Western Electric in 1916 by E. C. Wente.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:44 pm

I find it hard to work out how much of what he's spewing is "mainstream" antisemitism and how much is filtered through his own delusional thought processes (not referring to any specific mental health diagnosis, but he's certainly been prone to grandiosity and paranoia in other contexts).

On the plus side, while I'm not close with many (former?) mega fans of the bloke, I'd definitely say I'm seeing more dismay and repudiation than defence.

What a massive fall from grace. He's always been a bit of a jackass (to quote one B. Obama) but this is next-level awful. Literally "I like Hitler" FFS.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:46 pm

I'm also not really getting the rationale behind the face mask (should there be one). Mainly just adds to the "unstable" vibes. Like, we already know what you look like mate, you're not MF DOOM or p.ssy Riot or something.
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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:09 am

For instance, currently trending on r/memes is Ye as a toilet from SpongeBob SquarePants. Harsh but fair.
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Post by bjn » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:21 am

dyqik wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:16 pm
bjn wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 pm
dyqik wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:54 pm
Ye is also allowing Fuentes and Jones to use his Twitter account, and has also tweeted along the lines of "The Jewish media want to make you think that Hitler didn't have any good ideas".
I'm guessing that Ye's not talking about Hitler's ideas of dogs being nice pets and the utility of autobahns.
Those don't sound like particularly original ideas...
Neither was anti-semitism.

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Post by Bird on a Fire » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:27 am

Saudade for a simpler time, when he was mainly known as an enjoyer of fish sticks.
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Re: Ye

Post by EACLucifer » Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:49 pm

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:44 pm
On the plus side, while I'm not close with many (former?) mega fans of the bloke, I'd definitely say I'm seeing more dismay and repudiation than defence.
Likewise, though then again, I don't tend to stay friends/in-contact-at-all with people who are tolerant of blatant antisemitism. I mean we're talking about someone who posted a swastika overlaid on a Star of David here, that's a very ugly symbol indeed.

He is, however, getting a lot of vocal support from one of Trump's key constituencies - a..eholes who want to hear famous people say the same bigoted sh.t they do because it makes them feel big and important.

Quite a bit of support he's getting is from the far right, but then elements of the far right have always been willing to see eye to eye with non-white antisemites, and Kanye West isn't going to put them off by challenging anti-black racism when he himself has repeated a number of anti-black tropes.

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