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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by dyqik » Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:45 am

Oh, and via that, you can find Bill S. Preston esq. boosting David Allen Green...

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:15 am

bjn wrote:
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Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:30 pm
bjn wrote:
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From what I understand, you can’t keyword search on Mastadon, only hashtags. This is deliberate. If you are having a conversation about vegan cheese or whatever, it stops randos searching for “vegan cheese” and gate crashing it with abuse. If you want to make it searchable, add in a #vegancheese tag.
Ok, interesting. So it’s different from Reddit and Twitter in that the toots are kind of semi-private. Someone could find them by following the people but it’s set up so that it’s not possible to find a specific toot unless the author wanted it to be by adding a hashtag.

Makes sense but then the network is fulfilling a different role to Twitter.
Which is no necessarily a bad thing!
Certainly.

I’m just trying to get a handle on what I can use Mastodon for. I rarely participate in discussions on Twitter but I find it’s very useful for finding up to the minute information on obscure topics not covered well by the news media.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:43 am

Right, let's give this a go.

Can anybody suggest a logical starting point around either
ecology/conservation science
research data management

and/or some stuff to follow?

Or how I find those things? I've yet to see a single account I follow on Twatbird say they're going over to Mastodon.

Ooo and an Android app recommendation plz. (I like personal recs more than algorithmic ones) TIA! ;)
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by dyqik » Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:46 am

Tusky is the "default" Android app.

I'll pm you some people here that I know are on there.

If you're going to keep it professional, scholar.social may be open for sign ups. Not sure what to recommend for less professional use - the big general instances are closing to new users so that they can keep up.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:48 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:43 am
Ooo and an Android app recommendation plz. (I like personal recs more than algorithmic ones) TIA! ;)
Though Tusky is looking perfectly acceptable unless there's anything sh.t about it.

I am 100% never installing an app called Subway Tooter, which sounds like a kinky social networking app for people who enjoy farting on New York public transport. Defederate this Sick Filth! So Subway Tooter is right out.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:50 am

dyqik wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:46 am
Tusky is the "default" Android app.

I'll pm you some people here that I know are on there.

If you're going to keep it professional, scholar.social may be open for sign ups. Not sure what to recommend for less professional use - the big general instances are closing to new users so that they can keep up.
Thanks!

My Twitter is strictly professional (or as professional as I ever am), but haven't decided how I'd use Mastodon yet as I don't know what it's like. ;)
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Stephanie » Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:50 am
dyqik wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:46 am
Tusky is the "default" Android app.

I'll pm you some people here that I know are on there.

If you're going to keep it professional, scholar.social may be open for sign ups. Not sure what to recommend for less professional use - the big general instances are closing to new users so that they can keep up.
Thanks!

My Twitter is strictly professional (or as professional as I ever am), but haven't decided how I'd use Mastodon yet as I don't know what it's like. ;)
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:20 am

Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:50 am
dyqik wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:46 am
Tusky is the "default" Android app.

I'll pm you some people here that I know are on there.

If you're going to keep it professional, scholar.social may be open for sign ups. Not sure what to recommend for less professional use - the big general instances are closing to new users so that they can keep up.
Thanks!

My Twitter is strictly professional (or as professional as I ever am), but haven't decided how I'd use Mastodon yet as I don't know what it's like. ;)
come to dot social and join the left shitposters
Very tempting.

Almost feels like I need two mastodons already, one for bird science and one for shitposting.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Little waster » Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:52 am

Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:20 am
Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am
Bird on a Fire wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:50 am


Thanks!

My Twitter is strictly professional (or as professional as I ever am), but haven't decided how I'd use Mastodon yet as I don't know what it's like. ;)
come to dot social and join the left shitposters
Very tempting.

Almost feels like I need two mastodons already, one for bird science and one for shitposting.
So where do you now shitpost about bird science?

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Bird on a Fire » Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:04 pm

A lot of my conference presentations have that kind of aesthetic tbh - but the science is solid of course ;)
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by sTeamTraen » Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:33 pm

bjn wrote:
Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:55 pm
From what I understand, you can’t keyword search on Mastadon, only hashtags. This is deliberate. If you are having a conversation about vegan cheese or whatever, it stops randos searching for “vegan cheese” and gate crashing it with abuse. If you want to make it searchable, add in a #vegancheese tag.
I saw that claim made in a blog post about "4 reasons why Mastodon not having feature X makes it better than Twitter". However, this is what the Mastodon help site says:
https://mastodon.help/ wrote:In many Instances, if you search something in the search box of Mastodon, it will find only users or #hashtags. A more powerful search system will be implemented in the near future.
So I suspect that the claim that the absence of full-text/keyword search is to prevent people searching for text in order to abuse you may be a bit of a post-hoc rationalisation.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Stephanie » Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:17 pm

changed my mind, not sure if we want any more fact checking dorks on mastodon tbh
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:20 pm

So how do I find shitposts on Mastodon?

I tried #shitposts and just got one toot.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Stephanie » Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:43 pm

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So how do I find shitposts on Mastodon?

I tried #shitposts and just got one toot.
Depending on where you are and which instances you are federated with, there are definitely some in the #mastodev hashtag. Possibly also in #feditips.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by dyqik » Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm

Stephanie wrote:
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changed my mind, not sure if we want any more fact checking dorks on mastodon tbh
Factcheck: This is largely false. You love us really.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Stephanie » Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm

dyqik wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:17 pm
changed my mind, not sure if we want any more fact checking dorks on mastodon tbh
Factcheck: This is largely false. You love us really.
This made me laugh, so I'll forgive you. Some of you.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by nekomatic » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:04 pm

(changes Twitter name to fact checking dork)
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Stephanie » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:25 pm

nekomatic wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:04 pm
(changes Twitter name to fact checking dork)
lmao
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Woodchopper » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:43 pm

Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:43 pm
Woodchopper wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:20 pm
So how do I find shitposts on Mastodon?

I tried #shitposts and just got one toot.
Depending on where you are and which instances you are federated with, there are definitely some in the #mastodev hashtag. Possibly also in #feditips.
Been lookin. I’m mostly finding ernest discussions about the fediverse. Would prefer funny memes.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Grumble » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:20 pm

Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:46 pm
dyqik wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
Stephanie wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:17 pm
changed my mind, not sure if we want any more fact checking dorks on mastodon tbh
Factcheck: This is largely false. You love us really.
This made me laugh, so I'll forgive you. Some of you.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by nekomatic » Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:12 pm

I’m seeing a strand of discussion on Twitter that’s rather critical of ‘white flight’ to Mastodon - this is an example though may or may not be a representative one, another expression of it is if you leave Twitter because you don’t like that people are going to be free to use racial slurs then you’re not being an ally to the people who are the target of the racial slurs. I’m not exactly sure what to make of it all tbh but that felt like something to stop and think about.
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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by Woodchopper » Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:17 pm

nekomatic wrote:
Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:12 pm
I’m seeing a strand of discussion on Twitter that’s rather critical of ‘white flight’ to Mastodon - this is an example though may or may not be a representative one, another expression of it is if you leave Twitter because you don’t like that people are going to be free to use racial slurs then you’re not being an ally to the people who are the target of the racial slurs. I’m not exactly sure what to make of it all tbh but that felt like something to stop and think about.
Similar here: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/twitte ... e-leaving/

The article sums up a lot of what I think of Twitter. Especially the phrase ‘theatre of cruelty’.

ETA a quote for those who don’t want to read it all:
Soon after Twitter’s birth, scholar Danah Boyd used the term ‘digital white flight’ to explain the shift of user base from MySpace to Facebook. She cited a white teenage girl’s description of MySpace as ‘ghetto’. Since at least 2014, similar terms have been used for Twitter, especially in legacy press, and most often by powerful people unaccustomed to having their worldviews challenged.

The current digital white flight – or at least its threats – kicked off by Musk’s tragicomic saga of the acquisition and ongoing torching of Twitter is very familiar, not only in its motivations but its dynamics. Like real-world white flight, it is motivated not by existential or substantial fears, but a perceived threat to comforts of structural privilege. Most importantly, it is premised on a single privileged assumption: that there are, somewhere, safe and comfortable spaces of existence.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by dyqik » Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:19 pm

nekomatic wrote:
Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:12 pm
I’m seeing a strand of discussion on Twitter that’s rather critical of ‘white flight’ to Mastodon - this is an example though may or may not be a representative one, another expression of it is if you leave Twitter because you don’t like that people are going to be free to use racial slurs then you’re not being an ally to the people who are the target of the racial slurs. I’m not exactly sure what to make of it all tbh but that felt like something to stop and think about.
Mastodon's popularity before the Twexodus was significantly due to LBGTQ people and other non-conforming types who had already been driven off of Twitter by hate there. I'm not sure of the scale of racial elements of that. But blaming the hate on Twitter on people leaving Twitter due to the hate on Twitter is pretty close to victim blaming.

The fundamental flaw in that line of reasoning is that it assumes that Twitter is the default public place where everyone should want and need to be. Rather than it being a private corporation that got made popular because a bunch of journalists moved there, and which can easily be replaced by multiple other services.

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Re: Mastodon (not heavy metal)

Post by bjn » Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:30 pm

AIUI "White flight" is the idea that white folks are leaving a thing/place because of some number of non-white people being there and their inner racists couldn't be helped. Moving from Twitter to Mastodon seems to be driven by Elon Musk being a c.nt as opposed to too many brown people using it.

What an I missing?

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