Indecision 2024

[Herainestold]

Will the interest keep accruing while Trump is President, or will it be held in abeyance for the duration?

Why would it be held in abeyance?

Because it is part of the punishment which cannot proceed while Trump is president.

[Grumble]

Will the interest keep accruing while Trump is President, or will it be held in abeyance for the duration?

Why would it be held in abeyance?

Because it is part of the punishment which cannot proceed while Trump is president.

What makes you think it can’t proceed if Trump is President?

[headshot]

H is talking out of their arse.

[Grumble]

H is talking out of their arse.

I’m trying to see if the Socratic method can lead to enlightenment

[bolo]

H is talking out of their arse.

I’m trying to see if the Socratic method can lead to enlightenment

Are you accepting bets about whether you will succeed?

[tenchboy]

H is talking out of their arse.

I’m trying to see if the Socratic method can lead to enlightenment

Are you accepting bets about whether you will succeed?

More to the point, how will you know if you have succeeded?

[Grumble]

[Stranger Mouse]

Will the interest keep accruing while Trump is President, or will it be held in abeyance for the duration?

Why would it be held in abeyance?

Because it is part of the punishment which cannot proceed while Trump is president.

Utter bollocks.

As an aside Trump defamed E Jean Carroll again yesterday. As there is nothing to stop him being sued successfully for a third time it raises questions as to whether he is unable to restrain himself or whether he thinks his backers have bottomless pockets. Apparently it would have cost him around 3-5 million in fees for the bond irrespective of the surety.

I wondering the next judgement will be bigger.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1766614743404388853?s=61

[IvanV]

As this article on the immunities or otherwise of presidents reminds us, the case of Clinton v. Jones proceeded while Clinton was president, despite his attempt to delay it. Presidents can prevent some cases from proceeding while in office, and may have some immunities in relation to official acts. But they can't stop everything.

My suspicion would be that these cases requiring bonds to appeal are the kind that don't stop just because you are president.

The cases have already concluded, and judgement entered into the record. The appeals against the verdicts are all that's left. The only thing that Trump can try is to claim that the punishments should be put on hold while he's president.

That's obviously not going to fly.

"All that's left". So not finished then. If he can get the appeals, and then stay them, then he can delay punishment for several more years. But I am suggesting these are not the kind of case he will be able to stay.

[dyqik]

As this article on the immunities or otherwise of presidents reminds us, the case of Clinton v. Jones proceeded while Clinton was president, despite his attempt to delay it. Presidents can prevent some cases from proceeding while in office, and may have some immunities in relation to official acts. But they can't stop everything.

My suspicion would be that these cases requiring bonds to appeal are the kind that don't stop just because you are president.

The cases have already concluded, and judgement entered into the record. The appeals against the verdicts are all that's left. The only thing that Trump can try is to claim that the punishments should be put on hold while he's president.

That's obviously not going to fly.

"All that's left". So not finished then. If he can get the appeals, and then stay them, then he can delay punishment for several more years. But I am suggesting these are not the kind of case he will be able to stay.

To get appeals, he has to raise issues that are appealable, and have the appeals courts accept the case - this has not happened yet, so there's currently no appeals.

During the cases, there was a lot of commentary about how his counsel was not preserving the most plausible issues for appeal. The default position of the courts is that the cases are over.

[IvanV]

To get appeals, he has to raise issues that are appealable, and have the appeals courts accept the case - this has not happened yet, so there's currently no appeals.

During the cases, there was a lot of commentary about how his counsel was not preserving the most plausible issues for appeal. The default position of the courts is that the cases are over.

A court case is never over until it is over. And you agree there are still some things that haven't happened yet. So he still has some plays. They may not be very good plays, but he has some plays and they will cause further delay. And who knows, maybe even get an actual appeal to create even further delay. The punishment will not be enforced until we have gone through this. This is valuable to him, even if these are not cases that he can stop when he becomes president.

But maybe the most valuable thing of all is getting someone to post a bond for him. Because maybe he can further delay payment from his own resources that way, which is likely valuable to him.

So often we have heard his legal options are not good, his lawyers are poor, he has made legal mistakes, he has messed this up, etc, etc. But mostly he has managed to delay the things he most wants to delay.

[Stranger Mouse]

Looks like the transcript in the Robert Hur report on Biden shows a little bit of partisanship going on. Quelle Surprise.

https://x.com/andrewfeinberg/status/176 ... 20073?s=61

Hur is testifying today https://www.youtube.com/live/9YrA0BUgjo ... XX3TebDPTU

[dyqik]

Looks like the transcript in the Robert Hur report on Biden shows a little bit of partisanship going on. Quelle Surprise.

https://x.com/andrewfeinberg/status/176 ... 20073?s=61

Hur is testifying today https://www.youtube.com/live/9YrA0BUgjo ... XX3TebDPTU

General Twitter opinion seems to be that the entire hearing can be played as a Biden ad.

[Stranger Mouse]

Looks like the transcript in the Robert Hur report on Biden shows a little bit of partisanship going on. Quelle Surprise.

https://x.com/andrewfeinberg/status/176 ... 20073?s=61

Hur is testifying today https://www.youtube.com/live/9YrA0BUgjo ... XX3TebDPTU

General Twitter opinion seems to be that the entire hearing can be played as a Biden ad.

I watched quite a bit of of it. A couple of Republicans made points that weren’t totally insane but most were b.llsh.t generators. The Dems did better generally but weren’t that impressive with the exception of known stars like Adam Schiff

[Stranger Mouse]

New Donald Trump music video. Watch to the end.

https://x.com/muellershewrote/status/17 ... 67121?s=61

[Stranger Mouse]

Navarro off to prison

https://x.com/muellershewrote/status/17 ... 77699?s=61

[Stranger Mouse]

Either Fani Willis or Wade in the Georgia case have to leave (bye Wade)

Thread here https://x.com/katiephang/status/1768620 ... 15951?s=61

[TopBadger]

Still strikes me as odd this one... I could understand the commotion if they were on opposite sides in the case, but they're on the same side and their decision to play hide the sausage with each other has no bearing on Trump's guilt.

[Stranger Mouse]

Still strikes me as odd this one... I could understand the commotion if they were on opposite sides in the case, but they're on the same side and their decision to play hide the sausage with each other has no bearing on Trump's guilt.

Especially as under Georgia law husband and wife lawyers can be on either side of the adversarial divide in a case and it is considered totally acceptable!

[dyqik]

Still strikes me as odd this one... I could understand the commotion if they were on opposite sides in the case, but they're on the same side and their decision to play hide the sausage with each other has no bearing on Trump's guilt.

Especially as under Georgia law husband and wife lawyers can be on either side of the adversarial divide in a case and it is considered totally acceptable!

I think the idea is that the prosecutor should be independent of the district attorney, as a safeguard for defendants. It's pretty common for criminal cases to be harsher on the prosecution than the defense (the standard of proof being the most obvious example).

[Stranger Mouse]

Still strikes me as odd this one... I could understand the commotion if they were on opposite sides in the case, but they're on the same side and their decision to play hide the sausage with each other has no bearing on Trump's guilt.

Especially as under Georgia law husband and wife lawyers can be on either side of the adversarial divide in a case and it is considered totally acceptable!

I think the idea is that the prosecutor should be independent of the district attorney, as a safeguard for defendants. It's pretty common for criminal cases to be harsher on the prosecution than the defense (the standard of proof being the most obvious example).

Link to the ruling https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... disqualify

[headshot]

So no-one has done anything inappropriate, and none of the evidence was strong enough to prove any wrongdoing, but someone has to step away from the case because of "perceptoins".

Seems like a sensible ruling for this particular case, but the double standard here is RIDICULOUS.

Still, at least it clears the way for Fani Willis to go after Trump head on.

[Stranger Mouse]

So no-one has done anything inappropriate, and none of the evidence was strong enough to prove any wrongdoing, but someone has to step away from the case because of "perceptoins".

Seems like a sensible ruling for this particular case, but the double standard here is RIDICULOUS.

Still, at least it clears the way for Fani Willis to go after Trump head on.

I think there was definitely some questionable behaviour but I agree that it in no was in now way a danger to a fair trial.

[FlammableFlower]

It's amazing, Trump's speeches are getting even more unhinged.

[headshot]

It's amazing, Trump's speeches are getting even more unhinged.

This is what I hope loses him the election. He’s been polling well because he hasn’t been visible to the vast majority of non-MAGA Americans.

Now that he’s being seen more, it’ll put off most of those who aren’t already in his cult.

He can’t win an election by appealing to an ever narrowing base of loonies.