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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by IvanV » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:34 pm

lpm wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:52 am
Is there a chess term for a really obvious trap you set, that only a spectacularly stupid opponent would fall for?
Patzer trap.

Why patzer (more rarely potzer) is used for a weak chess player is a bit of a mystery. Although it looks like Yiddish, it isn't. In German, patzen is to bungle, but it seems there isn't a German word Patzer used like that. Earliest references from the 1940s.

In both bridge and chess, poor players are often called rabbits. So in humorous literature or colloquial talk, people might say you put out a carrot, that only a rabbit would eat. Though it isn't a common term like patzer trap in chess.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:39 am

You there, boy! What day is this?
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Grumble » Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:13 pm

lpm wrote:
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You there, boy! What day is this?
Today? It’s Arrestmas Day of course!
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:16 pm

The circus has begun!

It's started with a clown getting into a clown car. Funny!
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:35 pm

UNDER ARREST.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:04 pm

Nothing is happening but I'm enjoying it anyway.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:57 pm

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by dyqik » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:23 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:57 pm
34
34 for 45

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:31 pm

There seems to be nothing new is all of this.

On another forum we discussed and outlined this entire set of charges years ago.

We showed copies of the cheques signed by Trump.

We showed the fake Cohen invoices

We discussed the catch and kill conspiracy that Trump and Pecker operated.

We speculated about tax frauds.

It's ridiculous it's taken until 2023 for prosecutors to pull together this relatively simple case that literally was completely disclosed during the defendant's presidency.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by dyqik » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:35 pm

lpm wrote:
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It's ridiculous it's taken until 2023 for prosecutors to pull together this relatively simple case that literally was completely disclosed during the defendant's presidency.
There's some claims that the previous DA was warned off the case by Bill Barr (Trump's AG) on the understanding the the DoJ would be investigating Trump.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by dyqik » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:59 pm

Trump also lost in court today in his latest bid to block aides from giving evidence to the Jan 6th investigation.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by lpm » Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:08 pm

I've read it, and it's a bit disappointing. Zero new information. Was hoping for fresh revelations.

He's clearly guilty but the story is too old to make any difference.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by dyqik » Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:23 pm

lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:08 pm
I've read it, and it's a bit disappointing. Zero new information. Was hoping for fresh revelations.

He's clearly guilty but the story is too old to make any difference.
Still, it's nice to know that if you do something that sends your lawyer to jail for conspiring with you, that you might also have to face a trial.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Herainestold » Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:07 pm

Ironic that it is happening on the same day Finland joins NATO.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Grumble » Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:15 pm

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Ironic that it is happening on the same day Finland joins NATO.
How is it ironic?
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Sciolus » Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:42 pm

Did they have to use special fingerprint pads for his tiny hands?

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by jimbob » Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:48 pm

Trae Crowder, the liberal redneck on this

https://youtu.be/aGDJ9pLnULM

Some nice rants
Have you considered stupidity as an explanation

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Re: Indecision 2024

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Bird on a Fire » Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:23 am

dyqik wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:57 pm
34
34 for 45
I was wondering exactly which rules Trump is being charged with breaking.

Googling "Trump rule 34" was quite the eye-opener.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by jimbob » Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:55 am

Meanwhile it's telling that so many of his groundswell supporters show such disorderd thinking.

https://twitter.com/mattxiv/status/1643 ... 99173?s=20

Video demonstrating that
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Martin_B » Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:33 am

Grumble wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:15 pm
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Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:07 pm
Ironic that it is happening on the same day Finland joins NATO.
How is it ironic?
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by Chris Preston » Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:04 pm

Here grows much rhubarb.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by TopBadger » Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:59 pm

I was pissed at Sky News this lunchtime for them spending over 20 mins replaying his ramblings... I wanted to see some actual news whilst eating my lunch and not the ravings of some deluded nut job.

Still, seems Trump has decided that his only way out of going to jail is bringing about a civil war... I hope his nonsense counts against him in court.
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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by IvanV » Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:24 pm

dyqik wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:08 pm
I've read it, and it's a bit disappointing. Zero new information. Was hoping for fresh revelations.

He's clearly guilty but the story is too old to make any difference.
Still, it's nice to know that if you do something that sends your lawyer to jail for conspiring with you, that you might also have to face a trial.
A lot of commentators seem to be saying that to be found guilty, the prosecution has to show dishonest intent, which is difficult in general, and probably particularly difficult with Trump to show intent, given his piglet-greasing skills. It has in general been rare for charges relating to the distinction between personal spending and campaign finance to stick.

I tend to suspect that charging him, and failing to make the charges stick, isn't really very helpful. There are apparently stronger charges working their slowly through the system, like in Georgia. Would have been better for them to come up first. What is happening today risks being good campaign publicity.

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Re: Indecision 2024

Post by dyqik » Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:36 pm

IvanV wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:24 pm
dyqik wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:23 pm
lpm wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:08 pm
I've read it, and it's a bit disappointing. Zero new information. Was hoping for fresh revelations.

He's clearly guilty but the story is too old to make any difference.
Still, it's nice to know that if you do something that sends your lawyer to jail for conspiring with you, that you might also have to face a trial.
A lot of commentators seem to be saying that to be found guilty, the prosecution has to show dishonest intent, which is difficult in general, and probably particularly difficult with Trump to show intent, given his piglet-greasing skills. It has in general been rare for charges relating to the distinction between personal spending and campaign finance to stick.

I tend to suspect that charging him, and failing to make the charges stick, isn't really very helpful. There are apparently stronger charges working their slowly through the system, like in Georgia. Would have been better for them to come up first. What is happening today risks being good campaign publicity.
The charges here are very narrow, and they've already been proven for Michael Cohen. The prosecutors also have Trump's handwritten notes on memos describing the fraud, and new testimony from the CFO of the Trump Organization.

The charges are narrow so that they can be easily proven.

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